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	<title>Comments on: Austria 2010: Arsenal&#8217;s Winners &amp; Losers</title>
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		<title>By: Jdilla</title>
		<link>http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/07/austria-2010-arsenals-winners-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54925</link>
		<dc:creator>Jdilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:12:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no he actually just feels that the young players being promoted i.e nordviet and co can fill in for the missing links. its economics not being up tight. Song is a CB people, remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no he actually just feels that the young players being promoted i.e nordviet and co can fill in for the missing links. its economics not being up tight. Song is a CB people, remember?</p>
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		<title>By: Gareth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gareth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 12:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funnily enough in the papers and on websites it seems to vary between &quot;Wilshere&quot; and &quot;Wilshire&quot;. I even saw one article name him as &quot;Jake Wilshire&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funnily enough in the papers and on websites it seems to vary between &#8220;Wilshere&#8221; and &#8220;Wilshire&#8221;. I even saw one article name him as &#8220;Jake Wilshire&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: Teoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 11:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget about scoring goals, in those pre-games our defence was not tested at all and with that little to do, Djourou still got injured. I think we cannot depend on him this season as he is so prone to injury (not physical enough for EPL).

I am afraid that if Arsene do not bring in extra proven CB (at least 2) , this will be another scapegoat for not winning the championship for another year. Last year at least we got TV and Gallas (Hoping them to be fit for the entire season). This year we have TV and Koscielny (not proven). Just imagine if TV gets injured, Arsenal will be looking to outscore their opponent everytime as the defence will not be able to keep a clean sheet.

I mean to give Nordveit and Koscielny a chance is fine but if they cannot take the physical side of the game. It will be another season without trophy. Why does Wenger always gamble on the defence when he knows that defence win championship. This will be why Fabregas choose to leave Arsenal which is Arsene&#039;s own making by saving a few bucks on CB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget about scoring goals, in those pre-games our defence was not tested at all and with that little to do, Djourou still got injured. I think we cannot depend on him this season as he is so prone to injury (not physical enough for EPL).</p>
<p>I am afraid that if Arsene do not bring in extra proven CB (at least 2) , this will be another scapegoat for not winning the championship for another year. Last year at least we got TV and Gallas (Hoping them to be fit for the entire season). This year we have TV and Koscielny (not proven). Just imagine if TV gets injured, Arsenal will be looking to outscore their opponent everytime as the defence will not be able to keep a clean sheet.</p>
<p>I mean to give Nordveit and Koscielny a chance is fine but if they cannot take the physical side of the game. It will be another season without trophy. Why does Wenger always gamble on the defence when he knows that defence win championship. This will be why Fabregas choose to leave Arsenal which is Arsene&#8217;s own making by saving a few bucks on CB.</p>
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		<title>By: dsh</title>
		<link>http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/07/austria-2010-arsenals-winners-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54783</link>
		<dc:creator>dsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seems &quot;all&quot; rumours about Veloso stems from this &quot;news article&quot; written by some &quot;Antonio Bulla&quot;. Say no more. http://www.itasportpress.it/?action=read&amp;idnotizia=31664</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems &#8220;all&#8221; rumours about Veloso stems from this &#8220;news article&#8221; written by some &#8220;Antonio Bulla&#8221;. Say no more. <a href="http://www.itasportpress.it/?action=read&#038;idnotizia=31664" rel="nofollow">http://www.itasportpress.it/?action=read&#038;idnotizia=31664</a></p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is banega really that good ? and how expensive is the guy

there was a lot of news when he signed for valencia that they paid around 18 million euros for the guy so now he might be around 20-25 million euros

veloso will come for less than 13 million euros so I am sure if wenger does buy a DM its going to be Veloso</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is banega really that good ? and how expensive is the guy</p>
<p>there was a lot of news when he signed for valencia that they paid around 18 million euros for the guy so now he might be around 20-25 million euros</p>
<p>veloso will come for less than 13 million euros so I am sure if wenger does buy a DM its going to be Veloso</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bendtner is probably not even the main backup - I think that&#039;s Chamakh. I&#039;d rather have him than Berbatov, that&#039;s for sure - only reason nobody criticizes Man Utd&#039;s striker depth is because Rooney is an iron man. But now we have RVP + Chamakh - I think it&#039;s fair to say we would be the unluckiest team in the world if both of them suffer major injuries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bendtner is probably not even the main backup &#8211; I think that&#8217;s Chamakh. I&#8217;d rather have him than Berbatov, that&#8217;s for sure &#8211; only reason nobody criticizes Man Utd&#8217;s striker depth is because Rooney is an iron man. But now we have RVP + Chamakh &#8211; I think it&#8217;s fair to say we would be the unluckiest team in the world if both of them suffer major injuries.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 06:15:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I honestly don&#039;t think that&#039;s true. Dan Smith (the DIaby tackle) was just a stupid player - there&#039;s a reason he&#039;s playing in the Conference now. Your point is probably valid in his case, although I don&#039;t blame the manager at all - no player should ever make a tackle like he did, no matter how fired-up.

Martin Taylor is actually a very clean player - in the past 6 years he has received 7 yellow and 1 red card in 133 matches. (In comparison, Lorik Cana received 12 yellow and 1 red card in his 33 matches for Sunderland this season). I don&#039;t think Taylor was trying to &quot;send a message&quot; at all - he just mistimed his tackle very badly. Again, there&#039;s a reason he&#039;s spent most of his career in the Championship - tackling is a skill, and he&#039;s apparently not very good at it.

Shawcross is somewhere in the middle - he does commit a lot of fouls and his tackle was worse than Taylor&#039;s (but nowhere near as bad as Smith&#039;s). But again, I think it was just a bad decision and a bad tackle - not meant with the intention of &quot;sending a message&quot;. Every player makes bad tackles, even great players - Vieira and Bergkamp both made their share of bad tackles.

We should be criticizing these bad tackles, definitely, but the thing is, tackling is a legitimate part of the game. I don&#039;t think Arsenal fans spent so much time talking about bad tackles when it was Vieira making them. Honestly, I think the worst &quot;tackle&quot; we&#039;ve been subjected to in recent years is Adebayor&#039;s swipe at van Persie&#039;s face. Players can recover from a broken leg; Adebayor was literally inches away from taking out one of RVP&#039;s eyes. His stamp on Fabregas ranks pretty high up there too... those were objectively bad tackles. I don&#039;t think you can really put Taylor and Shawcross in the same level, even if the injuries they caused were much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I honestly don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s true. Dan Smith (the DIaby tackle) was just a stupid player &#8211; there&#8217;s a reason he&#8217;s playing in the Conference now. Your point is probably valid in his case, although I don&#8217;t blame the manager at all &#8211; no player should ever make a tackle like he did, no matter how fired-up.</p>
<p>Martin Taylor is actually a very clean player &#8211; in the past 6 years he has received 7 yellow and 1 red card in 133 matches. (In comparison, Lorik Cana received 12 yellow and 1 red card in his 33 matches for Sunderland this season). I don&#8217;t think Taylor was trying to &#8220;send a message&#8221; at all &#8211; he just mistimed his tackle very badly. Again, there&#8217;s a reason he&#8217;s spent most of his career in the Championship &#8211; tackling is a skill, and he&#8217;s apparently not very good at it.</p>
<p>Shawcross is somewhere in the middle &#8211; he does commit a lot of fouls and his tackle was worse than Taylor&#8217;s (but nowhere near as bad as Smith&#8217;s). But again, I think it was just a bad decision and a bad tackle &#8211; not meant with the intention of &#8220;sending a message&#8221;. Every player makes bad tackles, even great players &#8211; Vieira and Bergkamp both made their share of bad tackles.</p>
<p>We should be criticizing these bad tackles, definitely, but the thing is, tackling is a legitimate part of the game. I don&#8217;t think Arsenal fans spent so much time talking about bad tackles when it was Vieira making them. Honestly, I think the worst &#8220;tackle&#8221; we&#8217;ve been subjected to in recent years is Adebayor&#8217;s swipe at van Persie&#8217;s face. Players can recover from a broken leg; Adebayor was literally inches away from taking out one of RVP&#8217;s eyes. His stamp on Fabregas ranks pretty high up there too&#8230; those were objectively bad tackles. I don&#8217;t think you can really put Taylor and Shawcross in the same level, even if the injuries they caused were much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:59:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Newcastle were far and away the best team in the Championship, and they have a side capable of staying up. To be honest, there aren&#039;t that many teams in the EPL that really need a centre back who would be better options than Newcastle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newcastle were far and away the best team in the Championship, and they have a side capable of staying up. To be honest, there aren&#8217;t that many teams in the EPL that really need a centre back who would be better options than Newcastle.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veloso seems really overrated, probably because he&#039;s amazing on FM. (So is Joao Moutinho who is also overrated - none of the big clubs wanted him so he moved for 10m euros to Porto). We haven&#039;t seriously been linked to him recently - if we sign a first team central midfielder my bet would be Inler or Felipe Melo before Veloso (or it could easily be someone we haven&#039;t been linked to at all).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veloso seems really overrated, probably because he&#8217;s amazing on FM. (So is Joao Moutinho who is also overrated &#8211; none of the big clubs wanted him so he moved for 10m euros to Porto). We haven&#8217;t seriously been linked to him recently &#8211; if we sign a first team central midfielder my bet would be Inler or Felipe Melo before Veloso (or it could easily be someone we haven&#8217;t been linked to at all).</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We&#039;re thin at CB but until the Neuseidl game, our top 2 right backs were unavailable because they played at the WC. That&#039;s why Nordtveit (and Eastmond) played RB... anyway, Wenger will certainly find another CB somewhere just to make up the numbers. It might be a Silvestre / Cygan type signing but my guess is, that player will still be ahead of Nordtveit as a CB. His best hope to making the first team is as backup RB or DM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We&#8217;re thin at CB but until the Neuseidl game, our top 2 right backs were unavailable because they played at the WC. That&#8217;s why Nordtveit (and Eastmond) played RB&#8230; anyway, Wenger will certainly find another CB somewhere just to make up the numbers. It might be a Silvestre / Cygan type signing but my guess is, that player will still be ahead of Nordtveit as a CB. His best hope to making the first team is as backup RB or DM.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 05:47:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Andrew - Henry, Bergkamp, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ljungberg, Gerrard, Lampard, etc. have all had pretty good injury records (well, Ljungberg was injured a lot during his last season but I&#039;d chalk that down to age). Even Pires really only missed significant time with that one cruciate ligament injury.

I would say it&#039;s true that Premier League footballers suffer more injuries from bad tackles, but a lot of the players you think of as injury-prone - Owen, Rosicky, van Persie, etc. - get a lot of injuries that have nothing to do with bad tackles. Think of Owen&#039;s knee injury at WC2006 where there were no players within 10 feet of him, or Rosicky&#039;s muscular problem that kept him out for more than a year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Andrew &#8211; Henry, Bergkamp, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ljungberg, Gerrard, Lampard, etc. have all had pretty good injury records (well, Ljungberg was injured a lot during his last season but I&#8217;d chalk that down to age). Even Pires really only missed significant time with that one cruciate ligament injury.</p>
<p>I would say it&#8217;s true that Premier League footballers suffer more injuries from bad tackles, but a lot of the players you think of as injury-prone &#8211; Owen, Rosicky, van Persie, etc. &#8211; get a lot of injuries that have nothing to do with bad tackles. Think of Owen&#8217;s knee injury at WC2006 where there were no players within 10 feet of him, or Rosicky&#8217;s muscular problem that kept him out for more than a year.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Veloso is a brilliant backup
and his long shot capability is awesome</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veloso is a brilliant backup<br />
and his long shot capability is awesome</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:46:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dude cole was the shining light of english football his career hasn&#039;t been any better than rosicky now has it
I hope English football changes but until the english fa changes I dont see anything changing


Teams we scared of players like Vieira, Sol and Adams to pull that kind of crap on us before but we are too &quot;nice&quot; now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dude cole was the shining light of english football his career hasn&#8217;t been any better than rosicky now has it<br />
I hope English football changes but until the english fa changes I dont see anything changing</p>
<p>Teams we scared of players like Vieira, Sol and Adams to pull that kind of crap on us before but we are too &#8220;nice&#8221; now</p>
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		<title>By: jd.</title>
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		<dc:creator>jd.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yep..your right about JET..if i&#039;m not mistaken JET start playing in CB..before the season end he already playing for 5 position eXcluding GK..he;s extremely flexible..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yep..your right about JET..if i&#8217;m not mistaken JET start playing in CB..before the season end he already playing for 5 position eXcluding GK..he;s extremely flexible..</p>
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		<title>By: Keile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 02:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JET looks nothing like Balotelli. 

Balotelli is a fantastic striker in the Ronaldo mould whereas JET is not. Balotelli also has much more pace and is generally a better athlete. JET looks fat in comparison.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JET looks nothing like Balotelli. </p>
<p>Balotelli is a fantastic striker in the Ronaldo mould whereas JET is not. Balotelli also has much more pace and is generally a better athlete. JET looks fat in comparison.</p>
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		<title>By: AndyE</title>
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		<dc:creator>AndyE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 23:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mate, it&#039;s called &quot;Young Guns&quot;

What club did you think it was about?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mate, it&#8217;s called &#8220;Young Guns&#8221;</p>
<p>What club did you think it was about?</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are going to buy anyone for that spot then it should be Ever fucking Banega. I said we should buy him almost 4 years ago and we could still use him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are going to buy anyone for that spot then it should be Ever fucking Banega. I said we should buy him almost 4 years ago and we could still use him.</p>
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		<title>By: Milo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Milo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have Arsenal blinders on mate. Bendtner as true quality back up to RVP?? IN the past no, but maybe this year yes. I still think Eastmond can do it. I&#039;ll admit that it&#039;s not for certain, but from what I saw last year, he can do it without much of a problem at all. We&#039;ll see who gets the most chances to prove themselves this year at that defensive midfield position. I have confidence in whomever it is. If we buy, then fine, but I don&#039;t think we have to. I don&#039;t think I have Arsenal blinders on just because I say this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have Arsenal blinders on mate. Bendtner as true quality back up to RVP?? IN the past no, but maybe this year yes. I still think Eastmond can do it. I&#8217;ll admit that it&#8217;s not for certain, but from what I saw last year, he can do it without much of a problem at all. We&#8217;ll see who gets the most chances to prove themselves this year at that defensive midfield position. I have confidence in whomever it is. If we buy, then fine, but I don&#8217;t think we have to. I don&#8217;t think I have Arsenal blinders on just because I say this.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://younggunsblog.co.uk/2010/07/austria-2010-arsenals-winners-losers/comment-page-1/#comment-54748</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 21:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Miguel veloso for me has lost his muscle and power.

In the under 21s tournament even though hes 5ft 11 he looked physical, strong, looked a beast.

You see him now hes looks alot slimmer, skinny i dont know how he would cope physically in the premiership.

IF he can get back his physical shape i think theres a quality holding midfielder in him</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Miguel veloso for me has lost his muscle and power.</p>
<p>In the under 21s tournament even though hes 5ft 11 he looked physical, strong, looked a beast.</p>
<p>You see him now hes looks alot slimmer, skinny i dont know how he would cope physically in the premiership.</p>
<p>IF he can get back his physical shape i think theres a quality holding midfielder in him</p>
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