As regular Young Guns readers will know, on Sunday afternoon news broke that Werder Bremen midfielder Amaury Bischoff was in talks with Arsenal, and that the deal would “be completed in the next days”
Well, after going away and thinking about this, it simply does not make sense.
He is a 20 year old player, who has only made one professional appearance. Cesc Fabregas is 21 and has already played over a hundred games for Arsenal, and sure whilst he is no Fabregas, if he was quality enough for us then you would think he would have played more regularly for Werder Bremen.
His injury record (which is probably a reason he has not played so much) is simply horrific. If we did have scouts tracking him, then when would they have seen him?. He seems to spend 90% of his time on the treatment table.
After further research i discovered he is more of a creative box-to-box type rather than an orthodox holding midfielder. We have just signed Aaron Ramsey who fits that mould, added to the fact we already have Mark Randall and Fran Merida in the ranks.
He would not be the first player to come out and say he has signed, or was about to sign for the club. Yago Fernandez did so last summer, as did Mark Milligan two months ago, although he did come on trial.
I think something just does not add up about this transfer, i may be wrong, and he could sign in the next few days like he claims, but it seems that something is not right.
What do you guys think?
Article By – J.Sanderson
also what about diaby and denilson how many attacking midfeliders do we need but if he does come i think we should send him out on loan in januaray to a team like stoke to gain more 1st team games
LOL. This is very funny, because the player might not be anything new Arsenal’s sought.
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doesnt he look like a love child of rooney and c.ronaldo LOL
goonerguy – hahahahaha yes he certainly does!
Nice back pedalling JS. But it does sound like your right……..now ;)
we could see in few next days in Arsenal.com. Maybe he’s right, or maybe wrong…
After all, I think if there is a player that makes AW impressed, he can’t be an ordinary player.
well, nice job, J.. keeping us from every update that comes up about Arsenal.
wenger is really getting me upset, all these kids, and want us to sign him,if we dont win next season. wenger pack your bags i will help and pay 4 your flight
Its not back pedalling mate, because i never said he was coming. I reported the news, but after thinking about it now i can give my opinion as shown above.
Like i said, im not saying he will not sign, but it seems really doubtful and pointless.
I know JS, i was just takin the piss mate. Its all good in tha hood!
this story is on sentena sports site and goal.com so something must be going on
Hahaha indeed. It’s been one of them summers mate ;) drinks are on Arsene! haha
wenger wants to run a nursery not a football club
one thing i dont get is that if were are singing a player from werder why is that player not frings he’s a player that we need now flamini left oh and J do you think that we could/should go for senna seeing as he was brillant for spain in euro 2008?
One thing ive noticed about Euro 2008, is that Jack Wilshere is almost identical to David Silva in playing style.
I’m just wondering what a player could gain through saying he’s about to sign for us when he’s not. Nothing sensical.
An agent would talk about another club being interested, but for the player to say he’s signed – it rules him off the market surely?
lance, it’s also in tomorrow’s (Monday’s) Sun. Should we just ignore it? :P
Look at this way… if he is linked with Arsenal then other clubs will think “well if Arsenal are after him he must be good” and he gets a move to Sunderland instead of Hull City.
u tried to jump the gun like u had an exclusive, straight off the press senario! just shows how hungry gunners are for some new signings.apart from that keep up the good work sun!
All the sources use the same quotes from him, nobody confirms it. They just did what we did hours before, and thats publish the quotes.
Yeah, i think senna is better. he has more experience, and he’s brazilian-born (just like gilberto s, but diff side)..
btw, J.. is there a news about AW’s lookin for not-a-midfielder player?? bcause, i think our transfer news is all about midfielder. neither defender or striker…
good job, mate..
man it has been the craziest summer ever, now euros over, i will my moaning again, sign this and did we, you know what i am talking about.
Agreed, he is not your typical Wenger signing. I doubted this report when I first heard and continue to do so.
As you so eloquently said, he does not fit the mold. Limited experience at age 21, not 20, limited experience at the first level. This could be another Milligan.
this is off topic but did anyone hear what lehmann said after the final about the match being fixed :) im kinda glad he’s gone so arsenal dont have to face the punishment of losing him for like 5 games
also J this is just an idea but you should give info on the other arsenal teams throughout the world because i know there are arsenal’s in argeintina,ukraine and ghana
I can understand your line of thinking…for a player with French origins in particular, to be linked with Arsenal, thus suggesting the great Arsene Wenger considers him to have significant talent would put them on the footballing map, and start managers around europe sitting up with chequebooks in hand. But you have to ask yourself, if Arsenal do not sign him, would most managers really take the bait? Managers (most of them) are not stupid, especially for a player with a horrible injury history. And any manager would surely contact Arsene who is always happy to discuss the transfers he decided were not right (as with Palacios) If this is a stunt, I don’t see it working. It could just be a player trying to get some publicity, a player who is a long way from home (France) and the country he has chosen to represent (Portugal) I just think if the likes of Sunderland suddenly become interested in on the back of this link, Roy Keane would contact Arsene…and if Arsene said there was never any interest, he would smell a rat.
I think the central midfield issue is up in the air…I think Arsene thought he would go for commanding centreback when he thought the Hleb to Barca deal would include Yaya Toure in some form, but then when Arshavin performed so well in Euro08 (apart from against Spain), it put a spanner in the works with respect to the Hleb transfer (I still cannot think of where Hleb would play for Barca…Iniesta is going to demand a first team place next season, and with Xavi also central mid, they are going to have to play a defensive midfield, which means that they will have to stick to 3 up front and that means the only place for Hleb would be on the left side of the forward line… that’s not going to happen!)…That’s had a knock-on effect on the Nasri transfer also…as Wenger knows he would struggle to get Hleb, Cesc, Rosicky and Nasri into the same midfield which would also have to have a holding midfielder…
that’s what I think (for what it’s worth)…
I thought it was funny gonna miss lehmann he’s been a joke since he came but i agree about Frings.Quality player
J do you know that we have missed out on both Yoan Gouffran and
Yoann Gourcuff as both have gone to Bordeaux im not sure if they are just on loan or permanent as i was on l’equipe and due to my very poor french im unsure if it’s permanent could you inform me plz
hmm this is strange i mean theirs no smoke without fire but why sign a sick note. imo if we get him he will be a squad player and i am not complaining if we get hm to strengthen the squad.
Can`t make comment on Mr. Bischoff I`ve never heard of him but I would have thought that there are young players in the Arsenal ranks who would certainly be his equal if not better. Are they always going to play in the reserves and if so what`s the point in them staying with the club? If a youngster hasn`t made the squad by his 21st birthday he would be well advised to look around.
Ive got to admit it shocked me 2 when it was announced. I dont feel we need a central mid, i know some people do and i can see their reasoning as none of our current possible replacements for Flamini (Diaby, Denilson and Song) are really tried and tested as regular starters for the position, so if we got some1 ud expect them to be a regular player somewhere else, not a player with potential but next to no first team football experiance in his whole career. Especially if we have anything for the cenral defencive position its potential, with Diaby, Denilson, Song, Ramsey, Landsbury and Emmanuel-Thomas. Not to mention Toure and Djourou can and have both played there aswell (Djourou more for the reserves).
From what ive heard of him (the reports and interviews about him other people and yourself have provided) he sounds good, but like u say it doesnt add up, if hes that brilliant then why has he only played half a game for them, even with the injury problems.
If we get him then i trust Wengers judgement, but personally i cant see this one happening. Id also like to see us show some faith in the players we do have for the CDM position, and signing him would be the complete opposite seeing as hes not even as close to being as experianced as any of them.
I agree with J – I mentioned this when he first posted the news.
Doesn’t make much sense at all. Which means it will probably happen…
“Which means it will probably happen…”
Lol, ill second that.
BTW, any1 else realised its the 1st 2morrow? Nasri news should be coming? Any1 know when the interview is / can give me a link to his official site (i cant find it).
Oh and well done to Cesc Fabregas aswell, he played well tonite and through-out this tournament. Unlucky not to have had more time on the pitch and i still cant work out why he was the one pulled off (not that it mattered in the end) but it was great to see him put that medal round his neck. Hes gunna be a massive player for Spain (he already is) and hopefully for Arsenal for many more years aswell. Amazing to think hes only 21 with the amount of games hes played for Club and Country and not to mention the Level hes been playing at.
I’m doubtful on that unknown one!
I say let’s buy Michael Johnson from Man.City
He experienced the Premiership
He’s good as defending as well as a creative one.
That would be a good buy,
What do u think?
Oh so now J is saying we arnt after Bischoff. Make your mind up we are getting him now we are not. god sake this is annoying. like i said before we dont need this cripple we need experience and reliability not somone who is out the team because of a broken nail each week. someone like nicky butt to shore things up.
“someone like nicky butt to shore things up.”
Sorry mate, i can see where ur coming from but Nicky Butt really isnt the answer. Personally id like to see us have a little faith in the players we do have who can play Flaminis role (or rather make that position their own). If we do bring some1 in they’d have to be quality (not nessesarily very well known), but some1 with experiance at first team football level whos shown they have quality. Like Eduardo i supose but for a CM position with defecive credentials.
Since we’re all here talking about links of players who is coming to Arsenal. If i’m not mistaken we have about 7 young players whom are ready to make their mark in the first team? I think it was from an interview with Liam Brady. Correct me if i’m wrong..
Our squad will definitely be stronger next season. With or without Adebayor, Hleb and definitely without Flamini. I think Wenger will promote the young guns, bring in player to replace those whom are leaving and rectify our defensive problems.
What is the use of buying and developing young players when they don’t get to prove themselves in our first squad – provided they qualify for that.
Good point, well made and 1 i agree with.
We do have players expected to play a bigger part than they have in the past, i duno about 7.
Gibbs, Randall, Barazite, Merida and Simpson if he stays will all be given a big chance to prove themselves. Wilshire may also be given his first taste of first team football (still only 16 btw..although i duno if there any chance of him breaking the youngest ever player record, duno when he was born.)
Traore will also carry on establishing himself as the superb player he is and Landsbury will probably get another carling cup run out (hopefully more than he had last season, or atleast a bit longer). There are plenty of other players who could be given a go (all in the CC most likely except possibly Nordtveit) but we’ll just have to wait and see. The point is, yes, i agree with you, and personally i dont think we’ll sign any1 other than Nasri and possibly a CB, but again, we’ll have to wait and see.
Personally i think we’ll get over Flamini quicker than any of us seem to be thinking, and Hleb would not be a big loss, or even a loss atall if we get Nasri, id like Adebayor to stay thou, although i think Bendtner will be as good as him if not better by the time hes his age i dont think hes ready to take the mantle just yet, although Eduardo looks set to be bak far sooner than we expected (might even be ready in time for the start of the season..although somehow i think he’ll probably miss the first mounth.)
well said duck well said and lookin forward to seeing if any of those young cats can steady themselves into the line up,truly a unique position we are in i mean lots of complaints about Le Bosses youth policy but perhaps prematurely . i am not saying we have reserves full of walcotts and fabs but their both young , we all know how class cesc is and theo has given taste of what he is capable of and as far as i have seen some players in the ranks i definitely rate but this years will really be the test to his policy especially if we lose hleb and the dimwitted one unless he does replace them from the outside
what about nordtveit any chance of him seeing some first team pine or still to young
“what about nordtveit any chance of him seeing some first team pine or still to young”
He thinks hes ready, and has infact gone as far as to say Wenger doesnt have to bother signing a centre back if he feels we need something more at the back cuz he can step up. Personally i think his chances will be limited next season but that we can almost definatly see some of him in the Carling Cup. You never know thou, he might fully break into the first team if he does great in the CC.
thanks johnny good to see the kid has some of that viking spirit kinda what we need back there.he looked sharp the few times i gotten to see him but really hard to measure against reserve squads
and well said about getting over flamini and hleb quickly coulnt agree with ya more
hes got funny hair man hahahahhahahaha
michel johnson for me as well, very very good player, best english youngster avaiblable right now.
But you have to ask yourself, if Arsenal do not sign him, would most managers really take the bait?
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To the person who asked this question: This happens all the time! Hell, half that Chelsea team should be ours but they saw we were interested and didn’t want the competetion strengthening so they way outbid us. And look at Di Maria, W Palacio and Babel from last summer, both had their heart set on moving to Arsenal and even after, I think AW came out and said Babel wasn’t good enough for the team, Liverpool paid 5m more than his release clause to get him because obviously if you’ve been scouted by Arsenal, you’ve gotta be worth it.
The other question is of course has he even been scouted? As J Said in the article, he wouldent be the first player to claim to be close to a move to a big side just to gain some attention and attempt tp entise some real suitors.
the scouts are playing other clubs to buy him before arsenal. i think that is cooking here.
When I first heard this story I have to admit my first reaction was “do we really need another injury prone 21 year old midfielder?”.
And I haven’t changed that thought since.
Johnny Maverik: It wouldn’t surprise me if he has been scouted in the past, he was indeed French and a teenager at one point of his life. And hasn’t played since what with the injuries and all.
True.
BTW can any1 give me a link to Nasri’s official site?
Also does ny1 know when this interview/announcement is meant to happen?
oh no wait…jumped the gun, its the 30th 2day, nt the 1st.
:( neva mind, still, ny1 got the link and/or any info?
Aaron Ramsey who fits that mould, added to the fact we already have Mark Randall and Fran Merida in the ranks.
NONE OF THESE PLAYERS WILL BE WORTH THERE SALT FOR SEVERAL SEASONS YET .. THEY ARE WORSE OPTIONS THAN BENDTNER- SONG-SENDEROS-EBOUE
-DENILSON-BERT-TRAORE-HOYTE…
BISCHOFF , IS THE PERFECT AGE FOR ARSENE TO BRING IN FRINGE TALENT FOR THE 1ST TEAM ,I WOULD GO AS FAR AS SAYING TYPICAL ARSENE MATERIAL , RIGHT DOWN TO THE TREATMENT BENCH :) .
WITHIN 6 MONTHS HE WILL HOLD DOWN A SPOT POTENTIALLY !
NASRI – BISCHOFF BOTH YOUNG BOTH UNTESTED SURE !
AND FRENCH !!
DID YOU EXPECT ANYTHING LESS OF WENGER ?
I MEAN REALLY ?!
DID YOU EXPECT RONALDINHO ? RIBERY ? MESSI ?
SORRY ARSENE DEALS WITH YOUNG GUNS ..
AND IF HE DIDN’T YOU’D BE OUT OF THE JOB :)
KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK HOWEVER !
YOU ARE 1 OF THE BETTER BLOGS AROUND ..
CANT SAY IM A BIG BELIEVER IN WENGERS YOUTH POLICIES
WE REQUIRE ‘NOW’ PLAYERS AND HAVE DONE FOR 2 SEASONS !!!!
AS ONLY CESC HAS MADE IT AND IT TOOK 3 SEASONS OF FULL TIME WORK TO DO IT .. NOT SURE HOW THE OTHERS WILL MANAGE TO GET EXPERIENCE
WHEN THE CLUB SO DESPERATELY NEEDS SILVERWARE AND NOW CANNOT AFFORD 2 OR 3 MORE SEASONS OF DEVELOPMENT ..
I THINK WE ARE GOING TO LOSE OVER 1/2 OF THESE YOUNGSTERS DOWN TO DISSOLUTION’ED FUTURES ALONE !
SEND THEM OUT ON LOAN ARSENE !!!!
TO REPUTABLE CLUBS WHO WILL GIVE THEM TIME ON THE PITCH !
http://www.samirnasri.fr
ive just heard that martins mite be coming arsenal. what do you think the chances of him coming are? i hope its true
In simple terms, I ask why would it not happen? Over the last 12 months, we’ve lost Diarra and Flamini, there is distinct possibility we will lose Gilberto (even if we don’t, you’d imagine he’d be gone within the next 2 years). If we assume that Ramsey is to be moved straight into the first team squad as cover, that still leaves us 2 players short of what Wenger felt he/we needed last year .
As for the youngsters, Fran Merida & Mark Randall are more of an attacking option, and more importantly have no top class european first team experience and as such would not really be good enough for the Champs/Prem league (yet).
Frankly, this strikes me as a typical Wenger signing and I would not be at all surprised if it happened. The injuries would be irrelevant as a thorough medical would be done by the Arsenal medical team (see the Overmars transfer as proof of that).
Jeez, get a grip ethan.
Thanks Attila.
If we get Bishoff it’ll probably be announced on the 1st when we get Nasri (thats what i understoof nyway), so we’ll just have to wait and see. But i agree with J, all descriptions point to yes, but common sense points to no. No first team experiance, but u never know with Wenger.
Could be one of AW’s inexpensive punts like Alberto Mendez or Stephan Malz. Nothing ventured, nothing gained type of thing.
However we are particularly well stocked for promising midfielders, so would another get in the way?
Can every person who types only in capitals be shot on site?
J: arseblog says we might have bought a youngster, called Dude-I-Bought-On-Last-Years-FM-Who-Got-Pretty-Good-But-Can’t-Spell-The-Name-Of. Maybe worth looking into it?
People he sounds like a winger very ribery like-pace, passing and shotting. he might be the replacement for hleb and its ironic he plays for a german club
how are we after a play who has not played for about 10 years I think it just does not make sense
It was his age and that he was unknown that got most people excited. People seem to even forget the line in the news “… just come back from a long term injury…” I just hope we won’t sign this guy. I just want instant quality added to that position, it’s the most important position for me.
Anyway I was at festivals this weekend so I missed Spain – Germany… a mate of mine told me Fabregas played a poor match can onyone confirm that?
Ive never heard of him before, does anybody know what fee he would cost?
Wengers expectations from Nordtveit next season(from a Norwegian newspaper):
– I expect him to take the step up to the first team, and that he play some matches there, the Arsenal-manager said.
And Nordtveit on the missed Newcastle match:
“- I was lying there on the Physio table and got some treatment when Steve Rowley came to me and said to me that it was expected 60 000 spectators and that I would play. (…) , but unfortunately I got the message that it would be impossible to play half injured. It would be too half-hearted.”
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Not that it has anything to do with this, just translated since somebody perhaps would find it interesting. :)
“Anyway I was at festivals this weekend so I missed Spain – Germany… a mate of mine told me Fabregas played a poor match can onyone confirm that?”
He played well enough, got pulled off after about 65 mins but it was tactical rather than due to a bad performance. Hes done himself proud over the tournament and the final was no different, not his best performance in the tournament but he did good. Ur mate must have been watchin the wrong match.
Johnny said it. Fabregas played pretty good. Had a couple of awesome passes. And it seemed to me that he played out of position.
btw, Clichy got second in the fans player of the year, which im guessing means Fabregas got first since i cant think of ny1 else who did that amazing, possibly only Flamini also had a stand out season but he aint guna win it, no way.
So that means its:
4th Sagna
3rd Adebayor
2nd Clichy
1st Fabregas
Personally id go Fabregas, Sagna, Adebayor, Clichy… i voted for Sagna but i had a feeling Fabregas would win it again… which is why i didnt vote for him cuz i wanted to make sure Sagna got in somewhere.
“Anyway I was at festivals this weekend so I missed Spain – Germany… a mate of mine told me Fabregas played a poor match can onyone confirm that?”
He wasn`t his fabolous self, but he played a descent match and should not have got substituted.
hey, sorry this is unrelated but whatever happened to us signing Clement Chantome and the other french midfielder we were linked with at the same time?
Thanks Johnny and Pete I couldn’t imagine him playing that bad, he never does :D
Fabregas player of the season, well deserved. He has not only improved his game, but he has gained a lot of respect with his professionalism, leadership and he has shown he is willing to die for the Arsenal shirt. He deserves a Henry salary even if he’s not asking for it.
well does anyone know if we really are going to bid for martins, coz i hope we do reall soon. i want adebayor to leave. give him away for 28-35m then but martins 13m diogo 10m bischoff 2m. then mayb an unknown defender who is willing to wait, 4-6m. what do you lot think??? and any updates on the nasri and diogo situation.
buy***
“Fabregas player of the season, well deserved.”
Well its not official yet but its the only logical conclusion, we’ll find out next Monday at any case. Also, Sol Campbell has just been named our 15th best ever player…i meen i expected him to make the list but not higher than Rocky and Basten… ah well
Samuel, if you had read my post properly you would have seen that I pointed out that Palacios (whom Wenger was really interested in but couldn’t find room for in the squad) did move to Birmingham on loan and then Wigan with Steve Bruce thanks to a tip off from Arsene. My point is, that any Premiership manager who sees this story and suddenly thinks, ‘maybe we should buy him’, on the back of this, would contact Wenger. The rumour is only useful to the player if Wenger does rate him… if not, I would think most would see it as a stunt, which won’t help him get a transfer.
“I would think most would see it as a stunt”
Theres bound to be one idiot somewhere that wouldent check.
Wait a sec…whos McClown managing again? I think i feel a move in the wind towards FC Twente for Mr. Bischoff.
No but u have a point Ethan, faking Wenger interest is very unlikely to get him anywhere, so there probably was interest from the club, how much interest is impossible to say. It could easily just be a player getting carried away with himself, e.g. Arsenal scout went to watch him play a few times, now hes convinced he’ll become an Arsenal player.
diogo nasri zapata martins santa cruz???????????????????????
what is going on?? are wee going to miss out on all of them???
I think we could present Nasri tomorrow or Wednesday.
Nasri better sign soon its been too long waiting for him now, we are turning into skeletons waiting for it to happen. Nasri to sign and we need a defender who is big and strong in the air, someone like servet of turkey would fit the bill.
“I think we could present Nasri tomorrow or Wednesday.”
Hes guna do an interview tomorrow so we should know more then, hopefully it’ll b to announce hes signed for us as expected.
Didn’t people say something similar about us not needing Sagna at the time he signed for us? Trust Arsene, he knows what and who we need to fill in the gaps.
gosh i remember a few years ago when every time song got a run in, all gooners would shake thier heads as to what wenger was thinking. after seeing him last season, i’ll just keep my mouth shut when it comes to any other bad signings.
Gouffran is permanent and Gourcuff is on loan.
It’s official – Arsenal sign Bischoff!
Middle finger up to all you retards who kept thinking it was nonsense. By the way, Wenger has been tracking him since he played for Strasbourg when he a lot younger and if he obviously see soemthing in him if he wants to sign him. It’s a free transfer too, so stop bloody moaning.
rofl whoever said other managers sign just because AW is interested, e/g babel to pool is a fool. Babel not good enough for Arsenal? Be quiet mate. “ah AW is interested in him, lets spend millions on him” :) thats how it works:), nub.
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