Arsenal have offered the services of Brazilian wing-back Pedro Botelho and Dutch striker Nacer Barazite to Spanish outfit Real Sociedad, as the Gunners look to establish a link with the San Sebastian outfit.
UD Salamanca had arranged a meeting with Arsenal two weeks ago, and a verbal agreement was reached which entailed that Pedro would in fact be spending the coming campaign with the Segunda outfit. However, reports in the local press claim the Gunners have back tracked on the deal, and have offered both 18 year olds to Sociedad on season long loans.
Real chairman Iñaki Badiola signed Fran Mérida from Arsenal last January, and despite a difficult start, he completed the season as a regular in the side which just missed out on promotion. Mérida will return to London after the Under 19 European Championships as a first team player, and the loaning of the pair would see them come back for the 09-10 season and challenge for a first team place.
Richard Law will continue to work with Salamanca and Arsenal, with suggestions that a South American player has already be purchased to go on loan to the Union next year. But with Sociedad proving a much bigger and attractive option, it seems the Gunners are swaying in favour of the Basque side.
Another season in Spain would certainly suit Pedro, as he would complete the criteria needed for a UK work permit, as well as gaining crucial experience in a promotion chasing outfit. Barazite on the other hand is considered one of the most exciting prospects in world football, and one Arsène Wenge is helping nurture carefully.
Should Sociedad accept one or both of the players, a link up between both clubs is imminent.
Article By – J.Sanderson
gd article. think they need a big team like that to gain some vital experience
i’d have liked to see barazite get some first team chances this season, so i’m a bit disappointed to see him potentially go way off the radar to sociedad
send barazite on loan to a championship side i rekon
Barazite and Pedro to spend a year getting splinters on their arse sitting on a bench. Yawn.
I’d like to see Barazite join a championship side.
thanks for the news Jamie. I hoped to see Barazite next season in the carling cup.Anyway, I trust wenger way in developing young players.
Cannot see the benifit of sending Nacer to Spain???
Nope, thats weird, unless Wenger don’t rate him. Why send him to a league loads different to England?
Paulinho – So they can sit on the bench at a Championship side like Gibbs and Randall :D
No problem guys
Just seen these quotes from Quincy who played for Celta Last year..
“I have been in Spain where the Segunda is not La Liga but I think you can get great experience playing there.”
So Sociedad will be great experience :)
which divison are Real Sociadad in in Spain?
Same as Madrid and Barca, or the one below?
I would have thought Brazaite would have gone to Ajax on loan as we have a deal with them.
He will be Dutch U21 level next season, same as what Babel was when he left Ajax, playing in their first team.
Barazite is a quality player who will benefit from honing his creative skills in Spain rather than getting lumps kicked out of him in the Championship. Championship teams would not really use a player like him appropriately. I think Wenger knows what experience would benefit different types of players. Look at poor Djourou and how a loan spell with Birmingham has set him back so far.
j who is the rumoured player from south america we have apparently signed to UD Salamanca
Nacer shouldn’t go on loan PERIOD. He has been heand and shoulders above most of our young players. He deserves a run in the first team. Why on earth would we loan him to a Spanish Second Division team? He is Dutch for f-sake and doesn’t need a work permit. Arsene knows but if he does this I would be greatly disappointed.
mike has a bit of brown of the end of his nose
Passenal;
I see your point, but would rather he either stayed at Arsenal, or was loaned to another Prem outfit.
Mark C, we do not have a deal with Ajax. Discussions have taken place but your bold statement that we have a deal with Ajax is rubbish. Get out.
Anyone think Diaby will replace the departed Flamini as central mid? I really think he’ll do a good job…..and Merida..looking forward to that lad playing in the first team.
No prem outfit would take his cuz he isnt proven at Premiership level and loan deals do cost, uve got wages which the loan club usually pay 100% of and for season-long loans there is usually a fee aswell, dotn get me wrong, to most premiership clubs it’ll be a minute figure, for the whole season it’ll probably be Lampards weekly wage, but premiership clubs r tight as hell, despite all their riches.
Socidade are a good side but Merida didnt get much of a look in there, Pedro might but Barazite would probably suffer from lack of oppertunities. Personally id prefere both to go to Salamanca.
Barazite going to Spain may be a good thing for him as it would allow him to develop in a first team away from the british media spotlight.
Pedro has no choice except to go back to Spain – but as it dosnt seem to have done Vela any harm, how can anyone complain.
“Barazite going to Spain may be a good thing for him as it would allow him to develop in a first team away from the british media spotlight.”
Totally agree mate.
W1n, I hope Diaby wouldn’t replace Flamini as he is an attacking midfielder and would have to be trained in the new position. Would therefore be hard to hit the ground running at the start of the season.
Jonny, fees for loans are a little higher than Fat Frank’s wages. We got £1m per season for Jeffers and Birmingham paid a record £1m to have Djourou for 6 months!
here is why this is a good move on our behalf
sending him to a championship club who has no real movement,no flow, no tactical prowlice is a waste .the only useful thing about keeping him in england would be getting him used to the thuggish style of play which i am sure he has become aware of
whilst sending him to spain where they in general at all levels have a more open flow to their game and still good enough to give him well earned experience
ps great info j sanderson
why is barazite going on loan?
Because of vela. they both play striker/left wing, and vela is further along in his development. but barazite also is at the point where he needs playing time, so this move makes sense.
Also, j, I know you’ve covered this before, but do you see botelho as being premier league quality?
Just to clarify;
This myth that the prem is the ONLY league in this country that has decent attacking football is GARBAGE!
Sure there are hoof merchants and cloggers, but hey, we got them in the Prem too!
There are decent footballing sides in the Championship AND below too.
Loaning Barazite to a lower division team won’t wreck his career, could be the making of it.
Sending him to Spain just seems a bit OTT.
quality work js, do you think Merida could do with another year away? Barazite going to spain sounds like a great idea, he’s atleast two years from our first team
mike has a bit of brown of the end of his nose
t said this on July 10, 2008 at 8:04 pm
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He aint the only one fella!
Spike, the trouble is that if he stays with us Barazite will not get to play as much in a competitive environment. Arsene would probably demand some guarantees re playing time from Sociedad as he has previously complained about loaning players who then don’t get to play, which is pretty much a waste of everyone’s time. If he has those guarantees, why not? We have to remember that Barazite is only 17, a year on loan will help to round out his experience as he has already experienced the rough and tumble of English football in the reserves.
I don’t understand why a lot of people are surprised or mortified that Barazite is being sent to a spanish side???!!! Where has Vela just come from? He spent a year in their second division and then a year in their top flight and everyone is drooling at the fact that he’s come home to put on an Arsenal shirt (yes he had to get his passport in spain but it’s still the same learnig curve). Why would this be a bad thing for Barazite to hone his technical ability? I’d like to see him play a handful of games for us this season but thinking of the bigger picture i’d prefer him to go to spain as a great prospect and return home a fantastic & experienced player….
Im just keen to stress this is only speculation at the moment. Nothing has been agreed or signed.
All loan spells are producive, even when players dont play so much, they get education with the first team and learn about the match day routine.
Sure thing.
Personally, even tho Passenal makes good points, I hope it is pure speculation!
Talking of speculation, aparently Milan have offered £24 mill and Gourcuff.
He was on Wenger’s radar a bit ago, but I dont much about the player.
Gourcuff IS the next Zidane, pure quality, Nasri and Gourcuffare very similar……Gourcuff scores more goals though….
be this a generalization but the level of technical ability is a little higher in spain than it is in england not to say there isn’t attacking football in the lower leagues but i don’t think it is the same style of open play as spain which for a 17 year old striker to develop more composure the open play environment is probably more suitable
great work, JS
I feel it would be helpful if he goes out on loan to sociedad as he will get some good exposure. And the fact that they routinely are in the promotion fracas at the top of the table will be good for him. I have no idea about how much pedro has come on and so I’m not sure if this is a good move. If pedro doesnt play regularly he will go backwards.
I felt sending fran to sociedad was a mistake. He is spanish and already has the technical gifts. He needs toughening up and should have been sent to the championship instead. But at the end of the day, AW sees them regularly and is the best judge of what will help whom
Isn’t Gourcuff going to Bordeaux? Maybe that’s Gouffran, I always get them mixed up.
Gourcuff was the next Zidane before Nasri and then had the unfortunate situation of competeting with Kaka for a place. He is a good player alright, but understandably, no Kaka. With a run of games, he’d be more productive than Hleb in goal and assist tallys but doesn’t have the same spark Hleb has but there aren’t many in the world who do what Hleb does anywhere as well. He’d be good and a genuine RW for the next couple years but Theo will genuinely be competetion for the next season and may even be a better choice if he plays like he did at the tail-end of the season consistantly. And Gourcuff wants (ney, needs) games, so…
I’d personally accept the bid, 24 is an outstanding amount of money and Gourcuff is a good player who given the right guidance (and where better) could be great. Not a Kaka or a Ljungberg great, but reliable and way better than Eboue.
If Barazite was to regularly play, I’d have no problem with him going. I thought Salamancia sold their LB to allow for Pedro? It seems unfair for us to stitch them up like this, very un-Arsenal like.
Also, the Ajax link is all but finalised. MVB has spoken about it and Bergkamp will be there! Even if nothing happens in writing, we will still have a great relationship with them, like having Adams high up at Portsmouth.
Internet Gooner….i know he is an attacking midfielder and all, but dont you think he would thrive in that holding midfielder role? Imagine, a defensive mid who can attack just as well. I remember him being labeled the next PV4, but i honestly think he has potential to be better~ Diaby is a lot faster with better ball control and skills.
If wenger can mould him to an all round midfielder….08/09 will be Arsenal’s year!!!
Nasri!! Where are you?!?!
Anyone think Merida will have a similar impact on Arsenal as Cesc did as a 17 yr old?
I think Gourcuff IS going to Bordeaux for a year on loan. We is sposed to be getting him AFTER the loan!
Is Barazite really one of the best young prospects in the world. I know he is better than most of the other reserves but can he really be compared to Pato and the like.
speaking of us buying a south american to send to salamanca, that guy we were linked with today, radamel falcao might be that guy, and maybe we might get him after all. not sure about the gourcuff thing though.
although i have only seen gourcuff play back in his rennes days he was definite potential also caught a smidgen of a glimpse in the cl last year but he didn’t even get a touch so one has to wonder
this may be a dumb question but why can’t milan retract the loan agreement its not like the season started
I don’t think the ‘media spotlight’ would be a problem at all for Barazite in England; it would only be so were he English. As valuable as a season in Spain would be for Nacer, surely a season on loan to an English club would help to ease him into Premiership football with Arsenal more seamlessly. I thought the main purpose of sending the likes of Vela and Pedro on loan to Spain was due to the work permit issue. It will be interesting to see how Fran has matured when he returns for us this season.
i personally feel this is a right move for pedro n barazite no actually fantastic. spanish league are good attacking wise its a good league to watch but i think barazite would have done better at a lower ranked championship team ones where players aint the same standard as barazite to teach him to be an individual and a game changer
i said this last week that barazite would go on loan swo i guess im physic
J do u know what squad numbers possible new players could get?
Who is the player we are suppose to buy from south america, it cant be diogo-if we pay 11 million for him and put him on loan to a second divison spanish league it does not make sense-i hope its a young right winger wnenger buys remeber angel di maria he would be perfect for arsenal
Parasite more like. he is rubbish.
Didn´t Benfica buy Angel di María? But about Barazite. I think he would be one of the best players in the segunda division. Remember that he only a year younger than Vela so he would be a year older than Vela was at Salamanca. I am not comparing Vela and Barazite but Nacer is simply amazing. He can become an Arsenal great if things are done properly.
I am going to speculate a bit about our players born in ´89 and ´90. Those are the players that really need playing time, at Arsenal or somewhere else, or else leave the club.
– Vela and Walcott are by far the best and will be regulars in the first team squad this season. I think that either one of them will start the majority of our games this season. Aaron Ramsey will also be a regular in the squad.
-Traore, Randall, Gibbs and Pedro are some way away from the first team and should probably go on a loan. I know some of you are great admirers of Randall but I think Lansbury and Merida will be way ahead of him next season.
-Then there are 4 players that all are born in ´90 and I have high hopes for. Those are Lansbury, Merida, Barazite and Nordveit. The situation is tricky and very different for each. They all played in the CC last season, except Nordveit as he got injured.
-Nordveit will be a part of the first team and play a bit. I think that as the season goes on he will end up being on the bench every week.
-Lansbury is fighting back to fitness after his sickness but is destined for greatness. The road to the first team is long but if he can get fit he might be challenging players like Diaby and Denilson for their places in the team. CC starts are certain for him as well.
-Merida can play everywhere in attack and that will help him. He is a great talent and I think that he should stay and fight for a place in the team. He is no Fabregas but a great player nevertheless. I´m guessing he might get the 10 EPL games needed to receive a medallion for our League Championship.
-Barazite might be the best of him, Lansbury and Merida but his situation is different. He is mainly a striker and in that department the competition is hard. With the current squad he would be no. 7, considering that Vela and Walcott would probably be chosen ahead of him. So a loan spell sounds like a perfect option as far as I am concerned.
Thanks for reading. I just figured I would put this list together as I didn´t feel like going to sleep. I better get to it though, as I have to wake up in 6 hours.
“Stone said this on July 11, 2008 at 1:31 am”
I agree with most if not all of ur point and evaluations. Ur also right about Di Maria, Benfica did buy him, we were close but in the end he chose them. I seem to remember he gave the excuse that he’d get an easier time of getting games, which is a valied one, but i also feel that it may have been because he’d have to have gone out on loan, as i duno if we would have been able to get a work permit for him.
“Parasite more like. he is rubbish.”
Me… i take it from that comment uve never actually seen him play, or u wouldent b saying it. If the best player in the Reserves is rubbish, we have very little hope, but im 99.9% sure ur wrong so neva mind.
I find it interesting that our loanees generally become part of the first team, i.e. Vela, Pedro, etc. If they’re that good, Wenger should start playing them in Carling Cup matches.
Daily Star said we sign nasri yesterday???
“Meanwhile Hleb is set to sign for Barcelona in the next 24 hours after dashing away from the Arsenal training ground yesterday.
It means major changes at the Emirates with Arsenal finally wrapping up a deal for Samir Nasri yesterday, Mathieu Flamini already signed by Milan and Gilberto linked with a surprise move to Greek club Panathinaikos. “
I would rather see bazarite in the champinship than segunda division, becauseit is tougher there…..
barazite would have been an excellent, choice for our carling cup. but if he should be loaned out at all, it should be to a first division team.wenger shouldn’t screw this guy up. cuz he’s a bag of f**kin talent.
Good analysis Stone – I think you could be right.
wahoooo Arsenal have signed Nasri!!!
The championship is rubbish football. The only thing he’ll get good at is avoiding those “clumsy” tackles that end with skillful players getting their legs broken.
Diaby is definitely not the right answer for that defesnive midfield position. His only quality is he has very good close control on the ball. He lacks vision, he’s a poor passer, he can’t tackle, and he doesn’t read the game well. He doesn’t beging to compare with Vieira. You’re comparing a guy that when everyone’s fit can barely make the bench to a world class midfielder who came into the team as a 19 year old and put players on the bench.
NAsri has signed check out arsenal.com wooooooooooooooohooooooooooooooooooooooo
Finally Nasri in da house :D What a happy day :D
Here comes “Me” and his half-dicked comments again.
By the way I’ll be making a few generalisations here; don’t flame me or anything please. Personally I see the Spanish leagues as more passing-oriented and technical, while the English style relies more on the player’s fitness and physical attributes.
So players like Botelho should be sent on loan to Championship sides, so as to get more used to the rough and tumble of Englsh league games. He’d do well improving on his physique; his technique is pretty much there, imo. As for Barazite, a move to Sociedad would for him be great, as he’d be allowed to hone the technical aspect of his game.
Nasri in da house people.
FINALLY
We can all relax and rest assured now Nasri has been announced.
J, it would be good to report asap why it took so long to announce the transfer
YEEEEEE
jingen: Pedro can’t be sent to an English team, he needs a work permit. Spain is obviously seen as the best place we can send players to obtain permits and obviously sending them to Sociedad is to try and help them be promoted so in the long term we will have our loanees playing with the best in the world in La Liga. (I guess if we just tried to use Osasuna they might not get guaranteed first team regular football?) It does seem odd we have links with 2 teams in the league, do you think it will stay that way for the foreseeable future J?
Radamel Falcao will take the PL by storm!
Sign him Wenger pls. This guy will notch up our finishing accuracy. He hardly misses and his burst of pace is almost if not better than David Villa. In honestly, signing him will mean we’re getting a prolific and younger “Villa-clone” player for just £8 10 mil
Untrue. Pedro will report to Salamanca in 2 weeks. That Spanish piece of news is false, based on unfounded rumours.
Finally, all the people that have been freaking out about the NASRI deal can download the wallpaper from arsenal.com and stare at it all day :)
nasri’s here!!!!!!
woohoo!!!
I think J has slept in today!!
NASRI HAS SIGNED! THANK GOD FOR THAT!
There are a few signings that are running through my head:
1. Nasri is our final signing, Hleb will leave, Adebayor will stay.
2. Nasri ain’t our final signing, Adebayor will leave along with Hleb, Huntelaar will be signed.
3. Nasri ain’t our final signing, Hleb leaves, Adebayor stays, Wenger will do a surprise signing.
Which is the most probably scenario?!!
a few signings = a few scenario’s
I think that number 2 is the correct one, but we won´t sign Huntelaar. Ade and Hleb will leave and we will buy somebody to replace Ade. Gouffrun might follow with it too.
YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And this on the day Robby Pires got N.6 on our all time greatest 50 players list, how fitting (and if any1 can explain in what way hes the 6th greatest Arsenal player of all time ill be much obliged). But its a French day…
Stone if you mean Gouffran he recently signed for Bordeaux, if you mean Gourcuff he also recently signed of Bordeaux but on a season loan.
Barazite will not go out on loan to a Spanish side FACT!
Mouhsin .. Me recks that 3 is the most likely – as this surely cant be our last signing. If this was the case, i would be dissapointed
Joshwaaa, I wouldn’t be that dissapointed if the squad stays like this, I think we have to put faith in our young team and sometimes we can find a “new signing” within our team just like Flamini last year.
The Daddy – Why is that a fact?!! I prefer to see him playing with the first team than seeing him out on loan too, but on the other hand maybe Wenger has a plan for him just like Carlos Vela and wants him to play regularly, maybe Barazite himself wants to be loaned out to improve who knows?!!
maybe we should let barazite play in carling cup and early fa cup matches then send him on loan in january
J, great site mate – one of the best out there. Where is Merida likely to play, could he play alongside cesc, or are they too similar?
Wenger would’nt be daft enough to send a young dutch player to a foreign league,Especially when Barazite needs games in one of the top two English divisions to toughen him up.
I don’t think every Arsenal player needs to toughen up, it shoes that tough football doesn’t neccesairly mean succes. I think a option of loaning him out to a championship side would also be good for him but still I prefer to see him train with the first team and even get some games… I think he’s ready for it!
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send barazite on loan to a championship side i rekon