Top 5 – Why Arsenal's Academy Is Better Than Spurs'

Every day this week Young Guns will be producing a ‘Top 5′ series of articles with the aim to celebrate and educate on all things to do with Arsenal’s Reserves and Youth. Having already covered the top Under 16’s to watch next season and the top 5 best positions for Jay Emmanuel-Thomas, in today’s blog we give the top 5 reasons why Arsenal’s Academy is better than Tottenham’s.

5. Better Coverage

Let’s start with better coverage. Most fans love to hear about the prospects coming through the ranks but the club’s official websites are often slow in giving details and when they do its sketchy, and not in depth. Arsenal fans can get detailed accounts of all things going on in the Reserves and Youth teams with specialist sites such as Young Guns. Tottenham do not have any such breakaway sites which focus on this side of the club, meaning information on prospects is limited. Arsenal TV also show highlights of Under 18 games, something Spurs TV do not.

4. More Successful

Arsenal have been more successful when it comes to winning trophies. Arsenal beat Tottenham to win the first League trophy since it was reformed. They also collected the gong this year, adding to successes at Under 19 and Under 17 level previously. The Gunners have also lifted the Youth Cup more times – seven times toTottenham’s two.

3. Better Setup

Arsenal’s setup is arguably better than Tottenham’s. Spurs have announced they will no longer be entertaining the Reserves next season instead opting to loan and arrange friendlies. Many believe the Reserves is a key part to development as it not only gives kids something to aim for and the chance to play against experienced pro’s, but many scouts use second string games for watching players before loaning them. Spurs will hope seeing them in non competitive friendlies and Under 18 fixtures will be enough to tempt good quality football league club’s into loaning them.

The setup that Arsenal have is as perfect as you can get. It gives players promotions at the right time before eventually getting them ready for the first team.

2. Spurs Sign Arsenal’s Rejects

Spurs always seem interested in our cast offs, whereas Arsenal are not interested in Tottenham’s. In recent seasons released duo Lee Butcher and Anton Blackwood have both headed across North London despite being Arsenal fans. Much travelled Jason Banton also went there from the Gunners but eventually quit. They also handed a trial to troubled striker Ahmed Abdulla last summer but he rebuffed Tottenham to move to West Ham. They also have David Bentley and Jamie O’Hara who had limited success while with Arsenal.

1. Better Futures For Players Who Leave Rejects

The number one reason why Arsenal’s Academy is better than Tottenham’s is – because the players who leave go on to have better careers. Arsenal graduates are usually sought after when they’re available for transfer and we’ve seen with the likes of Matthew Upson, Jermaine Pennant, Jeremie Aliadiere and David Bentley go on to play in the Premiership and in some circumstances for their country. They may not have all started out with Arsenal, but being educated in the Arsenal way was no doubt key to their success.

Tottenham youngsters are proven not to have gone on to big things after leaving. The majority end up in the football league with the odd exception. But without doubt, Arsenalhave had more success with the unfortunate players who don’t make it.

Article By – J.Sanderson

69 thoughts on “Top 5 – Why Arsenal's Academy Is Better Than Spurs'

  • June 25, 2009 at 2:31 pm
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    I really enjoy reading your articles!
    It’s absolutly the most brilliant stuff you come up with.
    Thanks to you, i already know alot about the Arsenal Youth.
    Keep up the fantastick work!

    Thomas Nielsen, writer on Arsenal Denmark

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  • June 25, 2009 at 2:34 pm
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    Slagging the spuds is always a winner, great point on them fishing for our rejects.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 2:35 pm
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    Jay – who do you think will go out on loan this year, who will stay for the CC please?

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  • June 25, 2009 at 2:42 pm
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    I know we’d all rather forget him, but you missed out cashley in your final point- undoubtedly our biggest success of all the players to come through our academy and leave.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 2:46 pm
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    much as I love this site – im not sure it’s one the reasons why the academy is so good. It’s one of the reasons why coverage of the youngsters is so good, not why the youngsters themselves are so good.

    I think the big reason is that arsenal have a well-recognised and clear style of play and every team you see playing for arsenal play in our trademark style. Spurs aren’t good enough to have a trademark style.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 2:50 pm
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    It’s always a good thing to let the Spuds know they are inferor. Up the arse!

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  • June 25, 2009 at 2:58 pm
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    Fair point Hugo, but he had a sustained career here before moving on so I wasn’t sure whether to include him.

    As for the Carling Cup side, it’s very much open. We don’t know who might be signed in the coming weeks so we don’t know who will form the first team yet.

    I’ve always said that the Carling Cup is for the first team players who are not playing. The reserves just make up numbers.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 3:09 pm
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    IT SHOULD BE HEADED ” WHY ARSENAL FC ARE A MUCH BETTER FOOTBALL CLUB THAN SPURS”.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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    what do you think will happen to merida next season, i want him to go on loan.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 3:13 pm
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    I agree with all the above! Add, “Arsenal play in a World Class stadium” as well – something they aspire to!

    Me and my girlfriend went to their dump and saw our boys smash them up and then saw the games at the Emirates as well.

    We all need to promote the youth games and get more people to see and appreciate them.

    Otherwise keep up the good work!

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  • June 25, 2009 at 3:27 pm
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    Fair enough, and the less he’s mentioned in the same breath as our club the better anyway! You do a top job though, takes a lot more to have the knowledge about the youths instead of just the first team. On another subject, I’d love to know your thoughts on the immediate future for Wilshere? Seems unlikely he’ll be loaned out, but will he get much first team action next year? And will he get to play in the ‘Bergkamp role’ Wenger talks of for him or out on the left again for the time being?

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  • June 25, 2009 at 3:30 pm
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    It seems like all arsenal’s reserve players manage to score at least 1 goal..
    well done!

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  • June 25, 2009 at 3:47 pm
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    He is the captain of Blackburn’s Under 18’s. Oliver Nicholas also plays for Blackburn now.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 4:09 pm
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    we’re busy talking about arsenal reserve achievements..
    but…how about the 1st team??

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  • June 25, 2009 at 4:44 pm
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    We probably chuck more money at our acadamy set up than Tottenham Hotspurs do, so Arsenal should produce more players of a higher quality, but pound for pound Everton probably have the best set up in England and given there resorces produce better players with Jack Rodwell being there latest wiz kid off the production line IMO.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 5:02 pm
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    Add Rohan Ricketts to list of reject to move across to the wrong side with over 30 league appearances for them. Best way to judge our products is to compare them to academy products of our top european competitors [Barca, Valencia, Roma, Juve, Man Ure, Chavs & Inter] and our products look better comparably in this case when comparing Spuds’s products to those standards. However i do think if Ryan Mason can develop physically to prem level, his technique & football intelligence is good enough to break into their team.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 5:08 pm
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    KP: I think Everton are currently the best side for youth but only because Wilshere, E-Thomas et al aren’t yet at that age. In the past ten years they have bought through Rooney and Rodwell and a couple other fellas but we look like we could be hitting Barca-esque heights of one or two world class players a year if all goes to plan, leaving Everton and West Ham in the dust. We aren’t just aiming for best academy in the league but Best Academy In The World.

    That said, I think we’d all be bloody happy if we bought Rodwell. The only reasons people don’t compare him to a young Rio Ferdinand is skin colour and that he sometimes plays in other positions – but he’s more of a lock for the next England team at CB than anyone, even Micah, as far as I’m concerned.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 5:55 pm
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    JS. Your my dad is bigger than yours argument is bollocks. Apart from Asley Cole who else from your world famous academy have you guys had in your first team for more than 3 seasons, in the last 10 years and that doesnt include foriegn imports ? Your academy exists primarily for below par below players to be sold for shareholders profit to mid table Prem clubs.eg Muamba Sidwell Bentley Hoyte. Your academy is not geared to producing players for the 1st team but as recruitment centre for other clubs. Man city Middlesboro Everton Derby and Notts Forest are successful academies.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 7:13 pm
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    Samuel

    Jay Emmanuel Thomas is older than Jack Rodwell mate, but i do agree with you about him being an England player in the near future.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 7:16 pm
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    You can never go wrong with a slagging off of the spuds. There is just so much to get at them about. UP THE GUNNERS

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  • June 25, 2009 at 9:25 pm
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    Haha great article, famous words of zidane, “who are tottenham?”

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  • June 25, 2009 at 9:30 pm
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    kent paul rodwells older actually emannuel thomas is 17 still

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  • June 25, 2009 at 9:41 pm
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    Love the site as i work in Academy football but to say Arsenal have the best Academy is way off the mark! They have a good u18 side coming through but don’t have anything much below that, only individuals but certainly not a team of that standard. I think only 1 or 2 of the u18’s will become 1st team regulars.The best team we have played is Chelsea. They have thrown money at the academy but are starting to produce top quality players and teams in each age group. Look out!!

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  • June 25, 2009 at 10:11 pm
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    Upson, Pennant and Aliaidiere were all signed from elsewhere, hardly youth products really?

    This sort of stuff seems below this site.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 10:18 pm
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    bary

    It says on the Arsenal web site that JET was born on 27th December 1990, were as acording to the Everton web site Jack Rodwell was born on the 11th of March 1991.

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  • June 25, 2009 at 10:57 pm
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    Not saying we have the best Academy, don’t know where that’s come from. Just saying we’re better than Tottenham.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 12:00 am
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    Nathan – I don’t know what academy you work at but i can assure you, as someone who has been to Hale End and even taken a few kids there myself for trials (No, i aint being funny) on a few occasions, that our academy is streets ahead of the Chavs’. Yes they have improved over the past couple of years at youth level as they’ve taken a leaf out of our book and poured the Russian tw**s Roubles into their project but they have a long way to go before they can compare to us. I promise you all that!

    C Nash – You are a clown!

    “Your academy exists primarily for below par below players to be sold for shareholders profit to mid table Prem clubs.eg Muamba Sidwell Bentley Hoyte. Your academy is not geared to producing players for the 1st team but as recruitment centre for other clubs.”

    We sold Nicholas Anelka and used the profits to buy our leading goalscorer of all time and to fund a new youth academy/project. A youth academy that was AW’s dream. A youth academy who, as he said at the time will only start bearing fruit around this time as players need to be acquired at a young age, taught ‘the Arsenal way’ with our state-of-the-art facilities and by the best coaches anywhere in London in order to become good enough to break into such a great first-team as Arsenal’s. Not any Tom, Dick and Harry will be good enough and they have to prove themselves.

    You think people like John Paul-Kissock or Dan Gosling will get anywhere near our first team? Jack Rodwell, yes. Because he has immense potential but even Daniel Sturridge (who i rate very highly) will not have a chance here.

    Any age-group under 15/16 in this country envies our kids and coaching techniques and have only recently started ‘trying’ to follow suit.

    Anyone who followed the under 18’s of Arsenal last year would have noticed that once SB was pretty sure the Academy League had been wrapped up towards the end of the season and the Youth Cup had become the priority would have noticed that we were putting out a predominantly under 16’s side and still wiping the floor with opponents’ under 18’s sides (Chavs – 4-3, Fulham 5-1). Well, Arsenal do that all through the youths. The coaches deliberately put the age-group below out in order to give them an early taste of life playing older, more physical lads. That’s a great footballing education for these boys.

    I saw Arsenal under 10’s edge out a much bigger, much more physical Everton under 12’s at Hale End about 4/5 months ago. We have some immense talent coming through but they still have so much to prove. Those same Arsenal under 10’s (and a few under 11’s) just got back from Spain where they were egded out against an older (proabably a year or two) Real Madrid side in the final.

    People should know what the fuck they’re talking about before they go about spewing shit!

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  • June 26, 2009 at 12:51 am
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    C Nash – You are a clown!
    again …. C Nash – You are a clown!
    once again … C Nash – You are a clown!
    here it comes again … C Nash – You are a clown!

    TJ da goon … well written …

    its simple we are better … even our kids … spuds go and cry in your own forum … if you can find it ;-)

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  • June 26, 2009 at 3:53 am
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    TJ DA GOON

    Who gives a toss about a bunch of ten year old Arsenal kids beating a slightly older Everton team, because it is what they do when they are older that matters most and not before. Also have we ever produced a talent as good as Wayne Rooney no we have not and people don’t say Francesc Fabregas because we stole him from Barcelona and does not count as an Arsenal youth product, because Barcelona take the credit for his development as a young football player, or even Jack Wilshere because he has done nothing yet, were as the Wayne Rooney was destroying EPL teams at 16 years old kid,

    as for Jack Rodwell he is better than anything we have at Center half or in midfield comming through the ranks including the likes of Kyle Bartley, Henri Lansbury, Jay Emmanuel Thomas, Emmanuel Frimpong and Francis Coquelin, and i will name yet another Everton youngster who is better than anything we have in central midfield at a sightly younger age group as well, that includes Josh Rees, Chucks Aneke, Oguzan Ozyakup etc etc and he is called Ross Berkley, sure we may produce man for man or should i say kid for kid than most other football teams in this country. But when a club like Everton produce a special talent it will probably be better than any thing that Arsenal, Liverpool, Chelsea or Manchester United have coming through the ranks, and that is why Everton are still pound for pound the best Acadamy in Britain because it is overall quality that counts most and not volume IMO.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 7:35 am
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    TJ DA GOON,

    Every Academy in the country has players playing up an age group to help fasttrack them. It’s nothing new. Most academy sides put there u16’s out towards the end of the season to see what they are like for next!

    I’m not knocking Arsenals Academy because it is much improved and Kieran Gibbs and Jack Wilshire have come through and done well but i wouldn’t put my house on anyone else at the moment. Francis Coquelin looks the closest to me!

    Trust me though and it hurts me to say it but from 9-16 Chelsea do have better players!

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  • June 26, 2009 at 8:32 am
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    I don’t why this has become about Arsenal vs Everton, but everyone talking about Wayne Rooney seems to have fundamentally misunderstood the nature of an Academy. Do you really think Everton PRODUCED Wayne Rooney? He’d have been just as good at any team in the Premiership or Championship. The reason why Barcelona and Arsenal are considered to have such good academies is that they instill a style of football, involving incredible technique, passing, and reading of the game. The job of the academy is to give young players the perfect football education; after that its all down to natural talent (and determination/mental strength). Though they obviously encourage young players to move within the catchment area, the academy structure is based on geography – meaning that its basically a postcode lottery – and anyone that thinks Rooney wouldn’t be just as good if he’d been born in Holloway is off their rocker. Also, as J suggested, we’re one of the few clubs that put so much work into get our ‘rejects’ to have successful careers elsewehere. At a time when the whole country still likes to spout crap about Arsenal not helping produce English players, I suggest you count how many English players in the premiership were Arsenal youths (e.g Bentley, Muamba, Sidwell). That number will go up even higher as the standard of the academy is higher than it has ever been – even though full of quality youths, most of the academy players will not make it into the first team squad and will be allowed to leave, thus flooding the leagues with more young, talented, well-trained players.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 9:58 am
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    didnt our u16’s beat chelsea in an end of season friendly? that would then make us better then them if im correct.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 10:14 am
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    Chelsea’s Under-16s beat Arsenal during the season though, so what does that mean?

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  • June 26, 2009 at 10:36 am
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    Kent paul- you need to understand that Wayne Rooney is not the player he is because he was taught so well at Everton- it is because he was born with an incredible talent for football. An academy can only work with what it has, if one or two exceptional players come through it that is because they have got lucky with a couple of naturally talented kids. If it was all down to the academy then surely they would be as good as Rooney?

    As I said, an academy can only work with what it has, and assuming they are not lucky enough to have the once-in-a-generation talent of Rooney then they have to bring the best out of a more ‘standard’ group of players. Therefore surely there is fairly compelling argument to say that the sign of a good academy is indeed quantity over quality.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 12:02 pm
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    @ Nathan, Arsenal started playing their U16s from October onwards @ Fulham as the FA Youth Cup was nearing & some U18s moved up to reserves not towards the end of the season. To add to that, out 37 players that we used 10 were 15 years old and another 7 were 14 years old so explain to me how many academies do that to develop players and are also winning at the same time.

    @ Kent Paul, stop licking your own backside, Ross Barkley is nowhere way near our top-end 1st year scholar that you are comparing him to, and Wynter plus Rees from our current schoolboy would more than give him a run for his money. Yes Barkley has phyical presence, i dont see anything in his technique so say he is a special talent. As good as Ronney was technically, he has way more physical adavantage than players of age which definately helps @ prem level so dont compare Wilshere to him.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 12:32 pm
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    Supergunner07

    Josh Rees is average, Chucks Aneke has a great touch and vision but is even slower than Tom Huddlestone and neather of them are fit to lace Ross Berkley’s boots, and having seen him play in his proper position for Everton he is like a young Steven Gerrard, and i will give you another name as well Chelseas Josh McEachran is better than any 16/17 year old central midfielder we have as well, and John Bostock even though Tottenham Hotspurs did not produce him.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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    Kent Paul – It pisses me off when people go on as if Wayne Rooney was so great at 16. He was NOT destroying PL teams at 16 mate. He scored one wonder goal against Arsenal (who were the best team in the land at the time) to end an unbeaten run and became the new ‘Great White Hype’ of this nation. He was benched by Moyes a lot of the time after that due to erratic form and indiscipline.

    The fact of the matter is, is that West Ham, Everton and Man City have the best academies in this country but since we got Hale End up and running in it’s current state we have joined them, and some may say even surpassed them on that front. In a way, our academy is unique as it focuses a lot on the technical side of the game and i’m not sure if others concentrate so much on that side of the game in this country.

    For the Arsenal kids to beat an Everton side who are one or two years older than them is a very good thing IMO as it shows our academy is in a very good state.

    You say JW hasn’t done anything yet (which is very true) but then go on hyping Rodwell who is still very young himself and hasn’t really achieved anything yet either. It’s not as if he’s a world beater and Barca and the likes are chasing him, is it? As for Wilshere, Chelsea wanted him really badly along with one or two others because you just don’t get English players like that, with great technical ability coupled with the good ol’ English grit and a ‘footballing’ brain. That’s why people like Gazza and Joe Cole were so highly rated and why JW is so highly rated now.

    Many Gooners only know about our youth through youth blogs like this which give us great coverage but you don’t hear about the younger generations coming through (and rightly so, because they are still too young for any sort of coverage), but i’ve seen a few of them at close hand and while there are a few who you just know will not be good enough there are a few that have immense potential.

    I’m just saying that the likes of JW, Afobe and others who are starting to come through now and make a name for themselves is just the beginning and there’s many more to come through in the years to come. Time will tell.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 12:50 pm
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    Kent Paul – Are you a Gooner? Josh McEachran is nowhere near the level of Ozyakup! If he was so highly rated, then he would have played for England in the recent under 17’s championships. Where people like Craig Gardner’s younger brother (who didn’t impress me at all) got a call-up ahead of him. In the very same tournament Bostock (who was the England capain) was very poor and hardly inspired, just like when he played against Arsenal in the F.A Youth Cup this past season. I think he’s overrated.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 1:02 pm
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    Josh McEachran was injured that is why he was not at the Euros

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  • June 26, 2009 at 1:06 pm
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    And yes i am a gooner but that does not mean i am a sheep who follows the others just for the sake of it, because if i personally think that another team has potentially better players than we do i will say so.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 1:18 pm
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    Well i don’t know about this Berkley kid from Everton so i can’t comment on that. First time i’ve ever heard his name mentioned actually. If you think that Everton and whoever else has better players coming through than Arsenal then that’s your opinion and i respect that but players like Aneke have big potential and are very highly rated within our club. Pace is something that can be worked on and i’m sure the Arsenal coaches have identified that as being a weakness of his and will work on it. But i have yet to see McEachran dominate a game and Bostock went for £700,000 which is peanuts in this day and age. If he was so highly rated then us, Liverpool, Man Utd, Everton, Chelsea, etc, etc, would have been in for him.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 1:32 pm
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    @ Kent Paul, there goes my point, you are comparing Barkley to Gerrard, Gerrard is technically efficient not brilliant, he just combines that with athleticism and unbelievable ball striking. Barkley is a good prospect nothing more. You must be damn right stupid or you just dont know what outstanding technique entails, McEachran is another pure hype job, again good prospect but nothing better. Also none of these boys have football intelligence to help them stand out.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 1:40 pm
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    Just a bit of interest – Ravel Morrison (16 Man U) is the best young player in the country.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 1:44 pm
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    I just trust my own judgment on players i give you an example, a while back people on this site were saying how good Sam Byles was then i saw him play a couple of times for England 16’s team and i said he was average, i got slamed for it but i was right because he has not played for England since, and i say the same about Josh Rees as well, he looks nothing special IMO.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 1:45 pm
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    LSOE

    Yes your right Ravel Morrison is the best young attacking player under the age of 17 in England.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 2:05 pm
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    That Ravel Morrison thing is a joke right? My dad is a big Man United fan and has MUTV. I’ve seen this kid play on many, many occasions and he aint that good. Good pace, a bit of skill but that’s about it chaps. He aint even the biggest prospect in their under 18’s.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 2:47 pm
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    Ravel Morrison is a good player, but he was outshone by our former trialist Wellington (I’ve been told that we’re still in for him) and his team mate Rudolfo at last year’s Nike Cup final.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 3:06 pm
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    This TJ guy appears to be an absolute clown. Take off your red goggles, you’re embarassing yourself.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 3:06 pm
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    Ravel didn’t play in last year’s Nike Cup final.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 6:46 pm
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    Yo Philip. I really aint. I’m just saying it how it is. I’ve seen him play on many occasions before and he has only impressed me once. Cameron Stewart, Ajose, Oliver Norwood and the boy James, who i believe is class are better prospects in my opinion. So what makes me a clown u dickhead!?

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  • June 26, 2009 at 8:33 pm
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    @ TJ DA GOON, yes James’s passing is very impressive but lack of moderate speed might count against him long term like it has done for Carrick @ the highest level.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 9:56 pm
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    Perhaps I didn’t make myself clear. Morrison is world class.

    Interestingly, when Man U played Chelsea in the youth cup in Dec when Morrison was 15, near the end when they were going for the equaliser, Macheda was hooked off (with others)the class player on the pitch was RM and he played the whole 90 minutes. future England star Welbeck was playing also. TJ DA isn’t the only goon. It’s amazing how people haven’t a clue when it comes to judging a player.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 10:23 pm
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    Yeah Supergunner, i like a player like that. I’m very impressed with him. He can have a big future in the game despite his lack of speed i believe.

    LSOE – Whatever mate.

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  • June 26, 2009 at 10:49 pm
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    Barclay isn’t much cop by the way. But he was only 15 in Dec. West Brom’s George Thorne is slow and unathletic but a very good passer – can thread a great ball through. Arsenal are supposed to be interested in him.

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  • June 27, 2009 at 12:44 am
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    Well, you’re a clown for many reasons. You don’t rate Josh McEachran, how many games have you seen to try and watch him dominate? Regular at Cobham for the under-16s are you? Didn’t think so. He was injured and unavailable for the Under-17s, but you’ll have seen him captain England’s Under-16s quite successfully on occasion no?

    You’re willing to consider other team’s academies as inferior to that of Arsenal, but then freely admit you’ve never heard of Ross Barkley, one of England’s brighter young players. How exactly can you comment on an academy if you’re not aware of their players?

    Bostock went for peanuts because the FA’s tribunal panel was a joke. Palace were holding out for £5m, which isn’t peanuts, and the tribunal told them to fuck off. As it happens, the deal is potentially worth around £2.5m depending on what Bostock achieves. Good knowledge you’ve shown there. I think you’ll find most clubs were after him too.

    Quite how Wilshere has achieved more than Rodwell I’m not sure. Which one has played more Prem games? Which is an England u21 goalscorer in a major tournament?

    Your ignorance regarding Ravel Morrison is fairly astounding, but then it fits with the rest of your comments.

    And yeah, Arsenal might have some good players coming through in the next two or three youth classes. Guess what? So do most clubs. Chelsea had a FOURTEEN YEAR OLD in the England Under-16s squad. Not just a 14 year old, but one who impressed and was one of the best players at the Montaigu Tournament (when he’d turned 15). If you can tell me his name I’ll be fairly astounded. Good luck googling though.

    Want any more reasons? Clown.

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  • June 27, 2009 at 12:48 am
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    Anyone rating Cam Stewart or Nicky Ajose above Ravel Morrison in terms of potential simply hasn’t seen them all play very much. The latter is on another level to those two technically, the only thing that stops him having a top-level career is off-the-field stuff.

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  • June 27, 2009 at 4:08 am
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    i have to give credit to you for highlighted the no. 1 reason. i think many football academy, once they let go the player, the player on their own to find a new club. but here at arsenal, arsene wenger and coaching stuff always take responsibilities and try their best to find a future for these kids. for example he helped muamba and larsson to find new career with birmingham. our kids are lucky to have manager very much care about their future.

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  • June 27, 2009 at 12:20 pm
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    And you’re naive if you don’t think every club does that as well. Chelsea have just released a few academy team players but have made sure that the player is put in contact with numerous clubs to try and find them the best possible home.

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  • June 27, 2009 at 5:35 pm
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    go on TG, get him back. Im not sure who is correct but i’ll be damned if anyone changes my mind about Wilshere becoming the greatest England player of his generation.

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  • June 27, 2009 at 7:07 pm
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    You lot are incredible. Arguing over boys! Potential at under 16’s is all well and good, but the proof is really when they hit 18, can they kick on? Rodwell has, Wilshere’s development seems to have slowed a bit. At this age however, there is still time for both to hit the heights of international competition or to drift away to lower league obscurity.

    This ‘our 14 year old is better than your 14 year old’ bullshit is pretty disgusting to be honest. How can these boys develop properly when so much pressure is being put on them (player x is the new Gerrard)?

    At the end of the day all these kids show is potential, and it counts for very little really, anything can still happen. For every Cherno Samba there’s an Ian Wright.

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  • June 27, 2009 at 9:38 pm
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    A lof of the players that have been named will not become premiership star. Most of them are big for their age and that gives them an advantage against smaller, slower player of their age, however when they reach adulthood they fell off the map.
    The main reason is that their physical advantage has disappeared and then their lack of technique is exposed.
    Another type of player that benefits from an advantage that disappear with age is the pacy player with poor technique. If you look at the youth level (but not at Arsenal), you see a lot of hoofing the ball upfield and let the quick guy trying to nick the ball from the gangly centre-half and score. Those are the kind of players who have a lot of medal at U14, U16 and U18 but nothing to show for at senior level.
    Also a lot of people are impressed by a box-to-box player with great lungs and thurder shot, however the style of play has changed and nowadays most team do not play with a box-to-box player anymore.
    Steven Gerrard who is often used as an example of box-to-box player for the last couple of years has mainly been used as a support striker. His tactical indiscipline meant that Benitez had to find of way of using him without disrupting the defensive shape of the team.
    Players of that types impress at lower level, but they will find that there is no place for them in the first team of good premisership club.

    In statistics, you are supposed to judge a sample by both the average, the median and the standard deviation. In plain english it mean you have to look at the average quality, the quality of an average player for the team and check/discard abnormality.
    A good indicator is how many player makes it in the first team or the fringe of the first team (taking into account the quality of team and its recruitment policy) and how many make it at another premiership team.
    On the first count ARsenal and Everton are similar, however on the last count Arsenal win hand down. Nearly every premiership team has at least one former Arsenal trainee. Most Everton trainee end up playing in the lower league.

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  • June 28, 2009 at 3:43 pm
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    Kent Paul- you are complete blind c… if you think Barkley is a anywhere near Aneke. Barkley is a younger Cattermole all headless running/tackles and 1 decent pass per match. Get a copy of England Montague games and even Stevie Wonder can see that despite the dross in midfield Aneke was the outstanding performer. McCeachren is decent and better than Barkley in pass touch and vision but you need to lie down and stay off the pills
    you.

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  • June 29, 2009 at 6:08 pm
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    c nap

    If you cant speak to me with manners do not speack to me at all you dickless twat.

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  • June 30, 2009 at 2:28 am
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    Spurs have a televison station?!?!?!?!

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  • June 30, 2009 at 3:31 pm
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    KP- your opinions are baseless and dont deserve anything but contempt. (Speak is spelt “SPEAK” sorry to pull you up on how to spell on your own blog but someones got to)

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  • June 30, 2009 at 4:02 pm
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    As for Barkley being better than Ozzy or Anke confirms your membership as either a complete mug or desperate need to contact Specsavers sharp.

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