Young Gunners – To Loan Or Not To Loan?

In recent weeks there has been much speculation and debate over which of Arsenal’s young players should be going on loan and where they should head. This has been particularly noticeable in the comments sections of YoungGuns’ own articles.

Therefore I have compiled a list of all the players who have been suggested as candidates for loan moves. As well as an opinion based information piece, this can serve as a platform for further discussion.

Mannone/Szczęsny – Both reserve stoppers seem to have reached a cross roads in their careers, with Fabianski firmly entrenched as Second and Cup ‘keeper while Shea and McDermott battle it out for U18 duties, it seems likely that one of the two should be loaned out for some first team action, while the other stays as the Third and Reserve’s Keeper.

Verdict – Mannone should play a full season in the Championship.

Hoyte – When Gavin Hoyte returns from England U19 duty, he and Wenger will undoubtedly have a long talk about this upcoming season. Whether he’s loaned out again, this time for a full season, may well depend on whether Eboue is still at the club and if not, whether any replacements are sought externally.

Verdict – If Gavin isn’t seen as back-up to Sagna, a season in the Championship would suit.

Bartley/Ayling – The centre back pairing from last year’s youth cup are both no longer seen as U18 players and will certainly start the season in the reserves. However, if they’re given a chance in the Cup competitions, and if either impress, a second half of the season on loan could be in store.

Verdict – Bartley would certainly gain from 6 months in League 1.

Randall – It is almost certain that Mark will be going on loan all season. Having already been offered to, and been rejected by, Derby, Wenger will be on the look-out for another Championship club.

Verdict – Randall needs to play a full season to gauge his potential.

Lansbury/Merida – As with Hoyte, both these lads will want a chat with Monsieur Wenger next week about their role this season. With Henri impressing greatly at Scunthorpe and currently in the Ukraine and with Fran being thought of highly by Wenger, it’s possible that either or both may be needed for the First Team squad. However, it’s far more likely that one or both will go on loan to a club of suitable quality.

Verdict – Season long loan to a middling Premiership Club (Portsmouth, Fulham) or a high flying Championship club (West Brom, Middlesbrough, Newcastle)

Ramsey/Wilshere – Both players are held in very high regard within the club and externally and have played a large part in pre-season. Thus, it seems unlikely that they will be going on loan this season. In fact, I would say that it may be detrimental to the two youngsters to be away from the Arsenal squad at this stage of their careers.

Verdict – Stay as squad players and continue being trained at the best place possible.

Coquelin/Emmanuel Thomas/Murphy– All three were part of the Double winning side from last Season, but can be seen as more advanced than many of their teammates. However, they’re not yet at first team level by some distance and are still short of the likes of Merida and Lansbury. In this case, I’d imagine that their coaches will want a few more months’ worth of training and observation before making any decisions.

Verdict – If they can impress at Reserve or Carling Cup level then 6 months in the Championship will help each player greatly.

Sunu/Watt/Frimpong – Also part of last year’s Double Winning side, these lads are maybe slightly more raw than the players previously mentioned. It is possible that they will show enough maturity to be sent elsewhere for some experience in the latter stages of the season.

Verdict – Each player would have to show a big improvement in order to see any playing time in the Championship.

Barazite/Simpson – As with Hoyte a loan should be guaranteed for the two strikers unless Wenger sees reason to keep them at the club.

Verdict – If they’re able find a suitable club, both could see significant playing time in the lower reaches of the Premiership.

Article By – Gianni Sonvinco

65 thoughts on “Young Gunners – To Loan Or Not To Loan?

  • August 5, 2009 at 1:56 pm
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    I think Arsenal should call back Nordtveit from the Lilleström. Toure has left the team, Senderos will do this very soon, and Vermaelen is injured. He guy is ready.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 1:59 pm
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    Well written piece. Isn’t Frimpong still young enough to feature with the U18’s? If so, another season there would be alright for him.

    Other than that, I pretty much agree wholeheartedly.

    The futures/plans for Merida, Randall, Barazite and Simpson are the ones I’m particularly interested in.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:04 pm
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    Nordveit needs another season of gaining experience before being ready for Premiership.
    Frimpong can play for the Under 18s (as far as I’m aware), but I’d liek to see him pushing on in the Reserves as much as possible.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:06 pm
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    athlon: Nordtveit is in Nürnberg on loan now. For the whole season.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:13 pm
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    merida will stay he as aesome in emirates cup.

    Wilthsere will be stunning 15 sub appearences 4starts for first team

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:25 pm
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    JS – A pal of mine went to Bwood last night and heard that Arsenal are talking to Bordeaux about the possibility of Jay Simpson going on loan there instead of Silvestre being sold as part of the chamaakh deal, any info?

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:30 pm
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    Well written piece and I agree with it all.
    Which saddens me as I wish Barazite and Simpson got more of a chance.
    I was sure Barazite would feature more this preseason after such a strong start.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:48 pm
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    frimpong is going to captain the U18 this season so he’s not going anywhere. very insightful article well done. and have you guys heard of the rumor that AC Milan is planning a 30 million pound bid for Fabregas? God knows i love Wenger but if he sells Fabregas, to a team thats not Barcelona, i dont know how i would ever be able to forgive him

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:50 pm
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    hey J. if as u said the players need to be moved to certain clubs for match xperience “who will play for us in Carling Cup ?” which consists of some of this youngsters

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  • August 5, 2009 at 2:50 pm
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    Nordvedt should return esp after we have bought Hangeland. His compatriot may guide him better in the EPL than anyone could. Ramsey, Wilshere and Merida/Watt should stay and play at least 20 full games games and the rest they should substitute the likes of Fabregas, Ashavin and Rossicky to avoid burnout.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:00 pm
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    Hangeland has played in the Europa League so he’s going to be cup-tied if we sign him, so the chances of him arriving are very slim

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:04 pm
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    Good article but we can’t loan too many players out or our Reserve team will become ineffective and uncompetative.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:06 pm
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    Good Article, thanks

    I think he’ll keep the best guys at the club Frimpong/ Coquelin/ hopefully Lansbury but I’m not sure – it would be great to see any of them getting a lot of time with a prem outfit imo (although it didn’t do Justin Hoyte too much good)

    I’m really interested in what Wenger’s got in mind for the CC – 2 years ago it was mainly the reserves (Eduardo, Diarra, Bendtner, Traore, Song, Djourou etc), last year it was much younger and this year maybe younger still to see who’s got real potential (a lot of guys are going to have to be shifted out pretty soon, cos there’s not much space in the first team squad except for the very best) – I’d like to see an article on that?

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:11 pm
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    What a load of bollocks!Wilshere,Ramsey and Merida are all first team squad members.Szczesny has also been promoted to the first team squad.
    Hoyte,Simpson and Randall are all on borrowed time at Arsenal and will be shipped out on loan and possibly sold.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:17 pm
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    What about Gilbert? What’s gonna happen to him?

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:19 pm
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    jay Do you think barazite will ever make it in to the arsenal team i think he is talented but i dont think he is better then the likes of wilshere or merida.he reminds me of lupoli talented but just not premierleague quality.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:28 pm
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    Oh yeah where’s Gilbert and who is he training with?

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  • August 5, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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    no way are Watt and Fimpong lower then coquelin and murphy !

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  • August 5, 2009 at 4:08 pm
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    I think AW rates Watt higher than the other attacking youngsters in the squad, i.e, Simpson, Barazite, Murphy, Sunu, hence picking him for The Emirates Cup. Sanchez’s work rate is a HUGE plus for him. We were beating Liverpool 2-1 at Anfield with 5-10 mins left and the Youth Cup in the bag and he was STILL hurrying their defenders and chasing them down. It appears things like that didn’t go unnoticed with AW.

    Sean – Chill mate. Ur very correct with what you say though. Especially about Randall, Simpson and Hoyte being on borrowed time. I think Randall’s poor attitude last season as Reserves captain did him no favours whatsoever.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 4:32 pm
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    i think mannone would do great at an SPL side as they level of football would be able to allow us to see if he could handle it in the arsenal 1st team,

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  • August 5, 2009 at 5:20 pm
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    Off subject but Wilshere has not been selected for the u21’s for next Tuesday’s game against Holland. Anyone else got the funny feeling that this may have been deliberate as Capello may want him for the seniors?

    Stuart Pearce makes funny decisions at the best of times but Chris Smalling? James Vaughn? Andy Carroll? Freddie Sears? Junior Stanislas? But not the kid the WHOLE country has been waxing lyrical about since the weekend? Seems very odd.

    If he doesn’t get a surprise inclusion in the seniors whenever that squad is named then once again it will show how much of a clown Pearce really is. Nobody can bring what Jacky boy does to England.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 5:33 pm
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    capello is a sensible man and probablly wants to try and slow down the media hyping and sudden thrusting of wilshere into the lime light, hence i feel he had a word and said we wont pick him just yet.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 5:36 pm
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    I reckon the only reason he isnt in the squad is because is yet to play real competitive, first team football. Plus I think the fact that the whole country is talking about him may mean that not only wenger but pearce an capello may want to keep him out the limelight a bit at the age of 17.

    Who won blogger idol?

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  • August 5, 2009 at 5:39 pm
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    @bobbycoppin – I didn’t say they were worse players, just less complete and ready for First Team football at the current time.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 5:55 pm
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    Best see how Wilshere copes with the u19s first. He didn’t exactly set the u17 Euros alight a couple of months back.

    Frimpong has only just finished his first year’s “apprenticship”. But he pretty much left the u18s behind by Christmas – not including the cup of course. He needs to push on again and not be complacent.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 6:31 pm
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    rosicky injured have you got any news on this j, apparantly 6wks.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 6:36 pm
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    six weeks is what ian wright thinks. it could be anything, probly just precaution

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  • August 5, 2009 at 7:08 pm
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    Great article again! I really want to see Brazitie play for the first team, I thought he was great at the Barnet game. He’s a tall, strong and robust winger and reminds me slighty of Cristiano Ronaldo.

    It’s a shame they’re so many attacking players in front of him!

    In other news Anelka has been attacking Vieira in his new autobiography…

    http://crabfootball.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/nicolas-anelkas-autobiography-shocks-the-literary-world/

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  • August 5, 2009 at 7:12 pm
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    #

    Off subject but Wilshere has not been selected for the u21’s for next Tuesday’s game against Holland. Anyone else got the funny feeling that this may have been deliberate as Capello may want him for the seniors?

    Stuart Pearce makes funny decisions at the best of times but Chris Smalling? James Vaughn? Andy Carroll? Freddie Sears? Junior Stanislas? But not the kid the WHOLE country has been waxing lyrical about since the weekend? Seems very odd.

    If he doesn’t get a surprise inclusion in the seniors whenever that squad is named then once again it will show how much of a clown Pearce really is. Nobody can bring what Jacky boy does to England.

    TJ DA GOON said this on August 5, 2009 at 5:20 pm

    It wasn’t until this year that Bojan was called up to the Spain u21 and Balotelli had to wait till 18 for the Italian u21s. These are the La Liga and Serie A equivilants of Wilshere – players who have had a giant weight of expectation cast around their heads as becoming potentially the best players of generations. So why prolong the waiting period to choose them, as it’s clearly not a talent issue?

    The game we love today is wildly different to the one of ten or however many years ago, for two reasons. 1. Fitness of the player is better understood – meaning that we can look upon the early starts of players such as Rosicky and Owen and learn from the mistakes. Owen was regularly kicked about the place, not only because he was too fast to tackle but because it was embarrassing to be skinned by such a young and inexperienced player and oppositions can get bitter. Rosicky was too sleight to play the experienced oppositions and tried too much too soon in beefing up his muscles to compete on a physical level (he was obviously a league apart on a technical level). Owen ran too fast and was kicked too often and his bones became brittle and worthless. Rosicky didn’t treat his growth in strength properly and his muscles couldn’t take the strain. 2. Media coverage. Hell, you know the story. Player gets hyped up too much, they end up Adebayor or whatever if they weak of mind. It set Theo back some years imo, why would Arsenal, Inter or Barca want repeat that? And why would their countries?

    Or alternatively, and I’m saying this not having seen Pearce’s nor Capello’s squad- other players were deemed as needing the experience just as much. People forget the country’s football isn’t just decided by the Premiership, what of the Delph’s etc.?

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  • August 5, 2009 at 9:59 pm
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    TDG- your asking for player to join the England squad with only 9 minutes of Premiership experience – i remember Walcott going on a 2 week jolly to Germany to do some all expenses sight seeing, much use that was for him and England. Walcott lacks credibility and class. No one should want this to happen again.Give JW time and maybe he will fulfil his potential.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 9:59 pm
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    Samuel – Bojan has already been capped for Spain. In the case of Balotelli, there is, as i understand it, some calls for him to be included with the seniors, although some sections still don’t like the idea of a black man representing Italy. Wasn’t it against Juve last season where the Juve fans were singing a song along the lines of ‘there’s no such thing as an Italian black man’? Eden Hazard has a few caps for Belgium as well and he isn’t the biggest guy around.

    In the case of JW – if you’re good enough, you’re old enough, and he brings something to England that only Rooney brings. England need more ‘flair’ players. Capello, being Italian and not having the boring age-old English mentality of the game, i can see him being a HUGE fan of JW. He isn’t your typical English player.

    Every now and then this country produces a classy flair player like that who they build up and hype up. First it was Gasgoigne, then Joe Cole and then Rooney. Now it’s our very own Jacky boy. I can assure you all, even if they fast-track him into the England set-up, he will not capitulate much the same way Gazza did as he has AW and FC to look after him and keep him grounded. These guys are too smart to allow that to happen to such a phenomenal talent. Just look at the job Fergie has done with Rooney as an example.

    I’m kinda glad Pearce didn’t pick him as i can’t stand his idea of football, much the way i can’t stand Eastick’s, Swain’s or Peacock’s idea of football (which pretty much explains LSOE’s point about JW not exactly lighting up the u17’s tournament a couple of months ago). We were having this debate the other day on here with dooop23 (i think) and Sharpovic and we came to the conclusion the England set-up is fucked up. Their style of play does not blend well with our Arsenal kids. They haven’t got a clue on how to keep possession and are quite shit on the technical front.

    Capello has gone some way to improve the seniors on this front. He is slowly drilling it into their heads that at that level, it is imperative and without that ability ur going nowhere fast. Why do you think he recently praised our set-up and urged others to follow suit? I’ll tell you why, it will make his job a whole lot easier, that’s why.

    The media in this country love to remind everyone that David Seaman fucked up against Brazil at the World Cup when he allowed Ronaldinho’s free-kick to sail over his head. Oh yeah? No mention about the fact that about 5 mins later Ronny was sent off and England played against 10 men for half an hour or so but still chased shadows. Brazil just passed it around and England were embarrassed. Still, they deflect the attention away from their failings and put it on Seaman. They did the same with Robinson against Croatia a few years ago even though the ball blatantly hit a divot and went in. This country loves a scapegoat and quite frankly it’s pathetic!

    My point is this. JW can easily play at an International level with top players around him. It makes the game easier when the players around you are on the same level as you. This explains why JW didn’t exactly ‘light up’ the Youth Cup run or the Euro Championships but looks so great when playing with people like Cesc, Arshavin and Eduardo. It’s only a friendly that England are playing next week so if Capello wants to have a closer look at him i doubt AW will veto it. I’m not saying he must be included all the time. Patience is a virtue of course.

    Sorry, i got a bit side-tracked there and had a bit of a rant but i just wanna see England win something in this game we love so much before i kick the bucket. :)

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  • August 5, 2009 at 10:08 pm
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    I really hope that Wilshere doesn’t get picked for the senior squad now, if he does well this season than the World Cup is a possibility but I don’t think it would do him any good to be picked for the senior side at this point. He is definitely good enough for the U-21 though, he is the same age as Walcott was when he played his first games and Jack is a LOT better than Theo was at the same age.

    As for the loanees. I would like to see Murphy get loaned out, at least for the latter part. He could hold down a place in a championship side.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 10:12 pm
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    From what I understood TJ, Wilshere was reckoned by UEFA to be one of the top ten talents at the tournaments-a selection made after the tournament. So he hardly failed. I agree with you, the higher you play him the less pressure and reliance there will be on him, because he’ll be playing with higher quality players. If he played at youth level for England-he’d be the guy they’d all look to. For England, he’d be one of a few guys they’d be looking to perform.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 10:27 pm
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    TJ: Great post and I do agree to a certain extent. It’s just, he’s still 17! At this rate he could still be playing for England at the 2026 World Cup – hell, if he really looks after himself in a Giggs/Figo-esque fashion, he could be part of our 2030 push! If England is going to attempt to regain their place as one of the most successful football teams in the world, patience is essential in developing the players who’ll be the most essential part to it all. If Capello thinks he’s good enough, fine, it’ll make me incredibly happy to see 2 (!) Arsenal players pushing out David Bentley out of the England right wing spot :) but Capello is known to err on the side of caution, and considering the kid isn’t ready for the Arsenal first XI, I think we’ve gone a bit overboard in instant expectations of JW. Hell, you equate Capello picking him to England success! Fucking hell, this is still a team where Calamity James is in goal and Emile Heskey is automatic pick up front – let’s try and bite our lip at least till he gets out of the reserves!

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  • August 5, 2009 at 10:43 pm
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    It was me TJ ;)

    I think Capello will select Wilshere just to watch him in training.
    It’s the only chance he will have to offer a squad place to a player solely to watch him train. With the qualifiers coming up he will not be willing to sacrifice a place then.

    With the friendly at such an odd time some players are going to get selected on pre-season form (I think Darren Bent made a squad at this time last season because he was scoring loads in pre-season).

    So why not Jack? He’s good enough and Capello knows what he is doing. I don’t think Capello trusts the likes of Pearce or Eastick with him and rightly so imo.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 11:26 pm
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    dooop23 – Yeah i thought it was you mate. You just basically said what i was trying to get at (just in a lot less words). I think Capello wants a closer look at him and like you say, it’s better to do that now rather than when it really matters. He may not even get on the field next week even if he is selected but Capello’s a top, top manager and, once again, like you say, knows what he’s doing.

    He does like to call up players on current form and i can’t think of any English players who are making as many headlines as JW right now. While i’m on this point, Capello was at Old Trafford watching Man Utd vs Valencia earlier this evening where Owen missed four or five good chances (i watched the whole match on Man Utd TV), so if Capello really does pick players on current form then Wilshere should be picked ahead of Owen as an attacking option, right? (btw, before anyone gets it twisted, i’m not saying JW should be picked as a striker here).

    Also, it comes down to what positions are needed to fill. For example, not many expected Gibbs to get in the first team ahead of the likes of Randall or Lansbury a year or two ago but it just so happens that the left back spot became available due to Gael’s injuries so Gibbs got his chance and took it well.

    It’s the same with England right now where Joe Cole is out injured. Hell, SG has been playing out on the left under Capello. Maybe he might wanna see how Jack fares there. Yeah, it’s a long shot what i’m suggesting as he is yet to establish himself in the Arsenal first team thus far, but i only suggest it because i know for a fact Capello would love to have a player like him around the team.

    Samuel – I can assure you i am not going overboard with my instant expectations of JW, nor am i equating his inclusion to England success. I am merely stating that i would not be surprised to see him selected seeing as that he was overlooked for the u21’s (which seemed odd to me as he is miles ahead of many of the players that have actually been selected – even with his tender years). And the sooner the England team is built around players with better technical ability such as JW, Lansbury, Rodwell, Bostock, Shelvey, Mason, Sturridge, Delfouneso, James and the many others coming through the youth sides up and down this country, the better chance they will have of winning something.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 11:36 pm
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    I think Wenger might save England despite our flawed youth system. Almost Every young players in Arsenal, even the ones who won’t make it, are technically good and know how to keep the ball.I’m pretty sure Wilshere and Gibbs will be followed by many others in the years to come, which is quite exciting.
    I just watched the final of a youth tournament that Arsenal won against Rennes (10 years old I think..). Arsenal played very technically, exactly like the first team. I can give you the link if you’re interested.

    God Bless Arsene :)

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  • August 5, 2009 at 11:39 pm
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    I have huge hopes for both Lansbury and Wilshere. If either of these two break into the 1st team on a regular basis this season, (more likely to be Jack than Henri, but both kids have the potential required), then I’ll be getting his name on the back of next year’s new home shirt!

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  • August 5, 2009 at 11:42 pm
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    Hart

    Naughton Bartley Rodwell Gibbs

    Frimpong

    Lansbury Bostock

    Wilshere Sturridge

    Delfouneso

    That’s just one possible team we could have in 5 to 10 years time who could be very, very fruitful. And look at the ones who haven’t been included:

    Amos, Steele, Steven Taylor, Micah Richards, Ayling, Spence, Trippier, Joe Bennett, Mattock, Matty James, Parrett, Welbeck, Shelvey, Moses, Delph, Murphy.

    Please note that i’ve only mentioned the kids who play at under 17’s and over right now (and only the ones who are getting selected right now) and who i believe, with the right guidance could have an International future – naturally, i’ve forgotten a few, but i’m sure you get the gist of what it is i’m getting at. The future England teams need to be more technique-orientated in order to succeed at the highest level, along with the right manager as well, of course, so all talk of Pearce succeeding Capello is cringing, to say the least.

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  • August 5, 2009 at 11:45 pm
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    Which Arsenal players were playing Sharpovic?

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  • August 5, 2009 at 11:47 pm
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    I remember the Brazil Game in the 2002 TJ.. that’s a very good example. That was embarasing, England would’t have found the solution against 9 men

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  • August 5, 2009 at 11:56 pm
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    Precisely mate. But Sven couldn’t give a rat’s arse to mention making changes like how Capello’s done. He was too busy chasing pussy down at Soho Square for all that. This country actually went to that World Cup hyping the fuck out of Beckham and Owen and how the’re gonna bring it home for us. No mention about the other 21 players or nothing, just Beckham and Owen, the dumb fucks! I remember like it was yesterday and remember thinking they’re making us a laughing stock. The other countries must be laughing at us i thought. Capello’s fixing the problem though. I have huge respect for that man.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 12:30 am
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    Very good football played at times. Those kids are about 8 years old or something. It’s great seeing them play in such a classy way. Cheers mate.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 8:45 am
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    you’re welcome mate. I like Capello as well, I was afraid at first he would make us play like Mourinho did with Chelsea but I have to admit he is a fantastic coach, who tries to make us play the right way. Tactically he is a true master

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  • August 6, 2009 at 11:33 am
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    Eastick has picked Wilshere for the U20 friendly squad.
    Pointless really as he will not go the the U20 tournament.

    If you look at the squad it makes no sense but then Eastick is picking it.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 11:43 am
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    Great article. And that Finale Poussins video linked by sharpovic; holy hell.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 12:59 pm
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    That’s typical mate. That squad doesn’t exactly fill you with much excitement does it? Don’t expect Jack to shine in that game either.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 1:09 pm
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    it depends on the player as well as the situation. Some times it’s good for a player to be loaned to a club. It may hurt in some cases as well too. Thanks http://bobbygee.wordpress.com/

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  • August 6, 2009 at 3:13 pm
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    Agree TJ. It’s a decent squad but makes no sense.

    It is hard to create this squad because the players will not be allowed to go to the U20 World CUp etc but it doesn’t look like Eastick has thought this out.
    I might sound harsh but I’m starting to think he is the worst of the England coaches and that is saying alot.

    Wilshere isn’t going to go to this tournament so why not put him in the U21 squad because he will be able to play in their qualifying games?
    Like I said before I hope Capello picks him. Waste of time playing under Eastick for Jack.

    Welbeck was struggling through the U19 tournament and he’s gone and picked him.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 3:15 pm
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    I have just heard that Fran Merida has joined Levante on a season long loan. Any views or confirmation on that?

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  • August 6, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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    I rate randall above a a lot of people coming through and Wenger must do to. To give him new deal last season start him in all 3 carling cup games, and also play in the champions league to i don’t think he would do that if he was anywhere near as bad as people make out.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 4:00 pm
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    Crocker93: my view would be bollocks: Levante is in the Segunda Division and is not high up there… He should play a higher level.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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    Randall – Mark’s attitude did him no favours last year and his petulance is very detrimental to his chances. That is why i believe AW didn’t pick him for the Emirates Cup. I believe he has gone backwards in Wenger’s eyes. He had to be given a new contract so that if he does eventually go, it won’t be on the cheap. I, like many Arsenal fans can’t see him having much of a future at the club with the way things stand right now but it is entirely up to him to elevate himself towards the front of the pecking order again. It’s kinda the same with Barazite and Simpson right now. Obviously they can’t be too happy with not being involved but that doesn’t mean they should drop their heads and show a complete lack of interest and indiscipline. They have to fight to regain their place. Competition for places in football is huge, especially if you’re a CM at Arsenal right now.

    dooop23 – I agree 100% mate but how come these players will not be able to go to the under 20’s World Cup?

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  • August 6, 2009 at 4:44 pm
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    Because the tournament starts in September and the clubs will not let their players go to it. It clashes with the season basically.
    Even reserve players get loaned out to Championship teams too so the squad usually looks very strange.

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  • August 6, 2009 at 11:19 pm
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    Ok, i see what you mean now. That’s the actual ‘World Cup’ for players under the age of 20 so its a very strange time to have it. They should have it during the summer.

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  • August 7, 2009 at 3:12 am
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    We really need the risk taking of Wilshere, Merida.

    I just don’t want to see diaby/denilson combo dragging us down again and again until every good player at Arsenal wants to depart.

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  • August 7, 2009 at 3:26 am
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    I can’t believe we’re letting Merida go, it means Hazard is comming or an englishman from the reserves is more highly rated

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  • August 7, 2009 at 3:30 pm
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    I’m really disappointed Merida is going to be loaned out again. I would rather have him getting a run out than Diaby who have been an utter waste of space.

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  • August 7, 2009 at 4:35 pm
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    great post by the way…i agree with the majority of what was suggested but wud probly add a few different situations…firstly i feel bartley shud b fast tracked by having 6months in the championship to see how he copes he looks a premiership type defender already(cultured n classy) but needs the rough n physical side that he wud get in the championship…merida must b tested in england so sumwhere like west brom wud b great 4 him,barazite shud go birmingham if he doesnt perform i think theres too much coming thru 2 bother with him he will progress sumwhere else,simpson im afraid is not quite good enuff regardless where he goes on loan so i feel we shud cash in hes a excellent championship player this goes for randall aaswell,hoyte also probly will struggle always like his big bro….coquelin/murphy n thomas i really like but feel 1 more reserve season n then loan time wud b great unless they excell rapidly in the nxt 6months…wud it b interesting to see wilshere on loan in the championship?? any thoughts?? the rest of what was said was spot on i feel this crop(very big one albeit) of youngsters r very talented n i honestly can see every 1 make a successful pro career n many at arsenal…bartley/coquelin/frimpong/wilshere/ayling/jet/watt/lansbury all have a massive chance of a future at the emirates

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  • August 7, 2009 at 4:37 pm
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    i forgot afobe to but its a while off 4 him yet!lol

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  • August 8, 2009 at 12:33 pm
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    FAO:Samuel – Wilshere has been called up for the u20s squad.

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  • August 9, 2009 at 5:23 am
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    Lansbury/Merida/Hoyte and probably Simpson/Barazite seriously needed a big challenge i.e. below mid table teams in Premier League or High Flying Championship teams to proof that they are capable of bursting into the starting 11. I thought Barazite did well in the championship last term but no idea why he was left out in the Emirates Cup.
    The likes of Watt, Bartley, Ayling, Coqeulin, Emmanuel Thomas, Murphy, Sunu, Cruise has to establish in the Reserves first. We all know that for the past 4 or 5 years we are not performing well in the Reserves League. So why not…

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