Arsenal are studying a plethora of loan offers for versatile midfielder Jay Emmanuel-Thomas after he agreed an improved contract with the club. Jay spent three-months with Championship side Blackpool earlier this season, scoring twice in eleven League games.
Ian Holloway confirmed this afternoon that Blackpool are in talks regarding a return to Bloomfield Road, but the Gunners are keen to send the skilful utility man to a Premier League club, although game time is the priority. Arsene Wenger has included Emmanuel-Thomas in a handful of his squads already this term but as first-team bodies start to return from injury, his chances are certain to become less and less meaning a second loan would be beneficial.
Wigan Athletic and Wolverhampton Wanderers have previously sent scouts to check on Jay but whether they would take the prospect in the closing stages of an important campaign, it’s unclear at the moment. However, a selection of Championship sides have been in touch and the Forest-Green born youngster is set to lead a collection of starlets who will leave on loan before the month is out.
Article By – J.Sanderson
i think he should go y yhe premier league he will be very good for wolves he is a talented player
i think wenger is gona send him to the premierleague so he can get a taste of top flight football
i think he should go to the premier league he will be very good for wolves he is a talented player
i think wenger is gona send him to the premierleague so he can get a taste of top flight football
J – any update on Zezinho? thanks and great work as usual.
It’s never been a foregone conclusion that this guy can perform at the level of a fabregas or ramsey, so I think he needs the chance to prove he can perform consistently at EPL level.
Any league lower than that and there will still be questions.
No updates on Zezinho, anything I get I will post up.
I’m not so sure that sitting on the bench at a struggling premier league club is the best thing for a young player’s development. If he was in the mix to get a game and make a place in the side then brilliant, if not then he’d be far better off playing week in week out at a championship side. Apologies for mentioning the scum sucking filth hound but Cashley dropped down a division and went on loan to Palace for 3 months, came back and dislodged Silvinho at left back.
I personally find that a joke comparing jay thomas to ramsey, fabregas
jay thomas needs to learn his trade in lower league football, no time and space on the ball and being tested physically which will help his learning process.
BTW JS WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING WITH LUKE AYLING? HIS HE INJURED? I AM SUPRISED HE HASNT GONE ON LOAN I REALLY RATE THE KID HIGHLY HES OUR MOST INTELIGENT CENTRE HALF AND HAS THAT LEADERSHIP QUALITY AT THE BACK
We’ll take him back, grew as the loan went on. Do him no harm playing for a top Championship side rather than on the sidelines at the likes of Wigan or Wolves. Onwards + Upwards. SeasideEssexXile
@john – that was my whole point. Right now there is no comparison. Until JET plays EPL games to show he can perform at a consistent level, we won’t know what he’s really capable of.
AW has had enough faith to give him a contract and put him on the bench for some games, but the circumstances haven’t seen him hit the field. I don’t know if another stint in the championship would prove anything, just give him game time.
@ scruffster – I might be wrong but I think Cashely got his chance when Silvinho got injured. It was his performances then in the EPL that cemented his place.
It’s a similar thing with Clichy, Gibbs, Ramsey and Diaby – a string of EPL games has seen them start to fulfill their potential.
Jay,
with the possibility of Wilshere and JET going out, how much truth is there behind some of the youth targets coming in – Traore (@ Cluj), Hazard, Lukaku, Matthews, Sterling?
Are these just media speculation?
Jay Thomas to Ramsey, Fabregas..lol. Anyways he clearly isnt ready to go on loan at a prem club, but a loan back to the championship would be good for him. He reminds me of Diaby with the same build and foot skills.
Jay thomas isnt even on the same level as henri lansbury let alone Ramsey, fabregas.
Eastmond seems to have overtaken him as well. Technique and hard work always seem to come through
I am actually happy Coquelin his being dropped it will make him a better player. I bet he thought he was a first team player last season and probably didnt put the hard work this season which is why eastmond has overtaken him.
I really dislike young players with poor attitudes ie Ben arfa, Quincy think they are too big
Pingback: Emmanuel-Thomas Poised For Second Loan Spell « [» Young Guns «] Loan just to Me
Pingback: Emmanuel-Thomas Poised For Second Loan Spell « [» Young Guns «] Dollars on Me
Another loan move will be good for JET same goes for Mark Randall aswell IMO.
Pingback: Emmanuel-Thomas Poised For Second Loan Spell « [» Young Guns «]
Pingback: Emmanuel-Thomas Poised For Second Loan Spell « [» Young Guns «] | Personal Secured Loans Online
Pingback: Emmanuel-Thomas Poised For Second Loan Spell « [» Young Guns «]
John,
On what grounds do you believe that JET is “not even on the same level as henri lansbury”. That statement is completely idiotic. JET was brilliant at U-18 level last year, 2nd only to Wilshere as the best player on the squad. He and Lansbury have both peroformed to mixed reviews at Championship level this season.
—————————————————————-
You have a preoccupation with worshiping Lansbury that makes you make stupid statements like that. I assume this is because you are also a teen-ager yourself and Lansbury is some sort of rock star to you, and that’s fine. But still, why let your admiration of him separate you from reality.
—————————————————————–
I have news for you…there is a very good chance that neither Lansbury or JET will ever make it Arsenal. Our 1st team is made up of a 7-man midfield rotation: Cesc, Song, Diaby, Nasri, Denilson, Ramsey, and Rosicky, in that order of preference. With the exception of Rosicky, all of them are 23 years old or younger. They are doing very well in the prem and CL and all of them, except Rosicky, still have a lot of room to improve. The fact that Ramsey has broken through is a testament to how much better a player he is than the rest of those in his age group, including Wilshere. Lansbury and JET a good distance behind Ramsey at this point in their development, and Ramsey is the standard of what it will take for a yonng footballer to bring into Arsenal’s group of talented young midfielders.
—————————————————————–
Don’t kid yourself, it will be extremely hard for any new players to crack that group of seven players…EXTREMELY HARD!!! And believe me, if we win the Prem or the CL this year it will go from HARD to VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE almost overnight!!!
—————————————————————–
Lansbury and JET could both easily go the way of Bentley, Pennant, and Upson…not good enoough to break through at the great Arsenal, but at far lesser clubs like Spuds, Real Zaragoza, and West Ham, good enough to perform as solid pros.
—————————————————————–
It may be tougher for Lansbury than JET because Lansbury is a very similar style player to Ramsey and Ramsey is on the bench behind Cesc. JET on the other hand offers the size/technique combonation similar to Diaby. AW may see the need to groom a 2nd option for this style of player, which could be JET’s chance at the 1st team.
—————————————————————–
The problem for JET is that we have Chucks Aneke coming closely behind him and I believe Aneke has better tachnique and equal potential to physically dominate opposing teams. For me, Aneke is an even more exciting prospect than JET.
—————————————————————–
The future is very bright for us Arsenal fans, but it is far from guaranteed for many of our gifted youngsters.
KC- Um you do realize we sell players right? I doubt all of those 7 will stay here their whole career. Plus it isnt a rotation. Song is the holding mid and Denilson is his back up. Fabregas isnt going to play on the wing. Anyways we need a bigger squad because we always seem to be injured.
Shane, um…yes, I’m aware of all of those things. And I’m also aware that one of the primary tennats of AW’s philosophy is to keep his current team together. To that end, he has resigned 15 of the current squad since May of ’09. Of course players leave, but ours are incredibly young and incredibly talented. Nasri, Denilson, and Diaby have often been thought of as the vulnerable ones in the group yet they, possibly with the exception of Denilson who hasn’t played much due to injury, are on a strong growth curve of late.
—————————————————————
And jsut as it’s possible for us to lose players, it’s also possible for us to buy them, which makes your point kind of moot. Players may come in and players may go, but the point I’m making is that the core of our midfield is 1. extraordinarily young and talented; and 2. a group that AW has committed to keeping at the club ’til they reach full maturity and beyond. Unless they are prepared to spend the next 4-6 years in the reserves and/or on the bench, these two points will make it extremely difficult for Lansbury, Thomas, and others to break through.
——————————————————————
Mark my words…of all the youngsters at the club, it’s my belief that Aneke has the best chance of all of breaking in and sustaining a spot in the first team.
KC
I personally do not rate Denilson and i dont think that eather Henri Lansbury or Jay Emmanuel Thomas will have much trouble taking his place in the pecking order IMO.
Ive heard that wenger rates Lansbury and if he cant find a position for him as a midfielder he´ll transform him into a rb.
Good post KC.
Shane; you say don’t forget we sell players too, but that seems to be forgetting that we also buy them as well. Don’t be surprised if we pick up Mezit Ozil in the summer, what will that do to the chances of Lansbury and JET? They are good young players with bags of potential but that isn’t good enough to make the grade at a club like the Arsenal. They will need to be wholly dedicated, completely professional and incredibly lucky with injuries (both to themselves and to those in the team in their position). They both have a chance but it isn’t a cakewalk getting into the Arsenal team, nor should it be.
denilson is a weird talent. n yes, i do think he is talented. but i get a feeling that we’re not playing him the right way or he just needs a slight tweak to his game, or something like that. he does need to bulk up abit more though and be more powerful to play through the centre. maybe he jus needs to learn to pass forward a bit more.
IMO denilson has been asked to play a different role since fab’s injury last season and he is still learning…JET is a great prospect and a loan to a championchip side would help to mature his game. No point in pushing him too quickly into a EPL side. What was the dig about Coquelin all about, have I missed something? He looked liked having the best chance to make it in a couple of years IMO.
Again John, you make yourself look stupid in the last 4 or 5 games JET has been named on the bench 3 times. Go to 1st team games or even Arsenal website and look at the squad listings.
Plus he has been rewarded with a new contract clearly the manager rates him and at the mo thats the only person that counts not someone like you. Get a life!
i cant believe some of the negativity that people write with regarding our youngsters, i watched fa youth cup games and I must admit JET was amazing, ok he did have a psycial advantage over under u18s but i do know that Ian Holloway was very impressed with it, i seen the goals he scored for Blackpool and I will admit he’s rough around the edges but hes very very young and will only get better
John’s biggest mistake is to claim that JET isn’t a hard worker. Anyone who knows anything about JET will tell you the kid is tireless, stays back after training to practice and doesn’t drink or hang out with his mates – because he wants to get to the top.
He may not make it at arsenal but that would be a huge shame because we need examples like this to prove that young, English skillful players (and he is deceptively skillful), when determined enough, can rise to the top.
If he doesn’t make it to the top I sincerely doubt it will be for a lack of commitment.
Well I agree with KC on mostly if not all that he has said. I have never seen Aneke play before but from what I have been hearing, he and Afobe are our two best prospects along with Wilshere. Mezut Ozil is amazing and his transfer would be really similaar to the one of Nasri two years ago. Ozil is a bit faster than him but it’s eerily similar if he does come!! JET could fill the Diaby role in time and Aneke could be groomed to fill it as well. KC you are 100% right when you stated that Ramsey is the standard bearer for young players breaking in to the first team. Although they are different players his breakthrough was just as fast if not faster than when Fabregas broke into the first team. Something just clicks and they know how to play the game and their ability belies their age. I’m hoping something similar happens with Wilshere in 1,2 or possibly 3 years. And lastly I wouldn’t necessarily put Rosicky as the least preferable option in midfield. Maybe, but Remember he can also play as a wide forward as well.
A fully fit Rosicky would be one of the first names on the team sheet. You can see the way he plays the game, passing and moving into space, clever balls, and he can shoot. I’d rate him ahead of Arshavin if, again, he was fully fit and had a few top-flight games under his belt.. I agree about Denilson, the guy is a solid player, but there’s *something* missing from his game that doesn’t make him stand out as much as the runners like Diaby and Ramsey, even though (and I’m only speculating here) his pass completion and ball retention must surely be better than both those players mentioned.
Again John, you make yourself look stupid in the last 4 or 5 games JET has been named on the bench 3 times. Go to 1st team games or even Arsenal website and look at the squad listings.
Plus he has been rewarded with a new contract clearly the manager rates him and at the mo thats the only person that counts not someone like you. Get a life!
NAH HAVE U SEEN THE INJURIES WE HAVE GOT? WHAT DUYA EXPECT.
JAY THOMAS PERFORMED WELL LAST YEAR IN THE ARSENAL UNDER 18S SO DID LANSBURY BUT HE ALSO PERFORMED FOR SCUNTHORPE, AND FOR THE ENGLAND JUNIOR TEAM BEING THIER BEST PLAYER AGAIN!!!!
LANSBURY IS A MUCH BETTERE PLAYER THAN JAY THOMAS HES GOT THAT ABAILITY TO CONTROL MIDFIELDS LIKE RAMSEY AND FABREGAS JUST A SHAME HE GOT THAT ILLNESS WHEN EH WAS ABOUT TO GET INVOLVED WITH THE FIRST TEAM
Henri lansbury has also been very good for Watford now as well.
The problem is ppl just havent seen enough of him due to his illness/injury and the fact hes come on as sub mostly in the reserves and playin on the wing.
Henri lansbury got the skill/technique but hes also got the hard work and like grinding and grafting. Hes like Ramsey hes got British Mentality but hes got a european/south american technique
Dont get me wrong Jay thomas is a quality player but hes not ready he needs to find a position and he needs to work hard
If he’s not ready then he would’nt be on the bench would he?
WELL IF ARSENAL HAVE GOT 9 FIRST TEAM PLAYERS INJURED I GUESS WENGER IS GOING TO THROW SOME KIDS ON THE BENCH TO GAIN A BIT OF PREMIERSHIP EXPERIENCE.
TONYTHETIGER THE FACT THAT BLACKPOOL DIDNT EXTEND HIS LOAN SHOWS HES NOT EVEN READY FOR THE CHAMPIONSHIP LET ALONE THE PREMIER LEAGUE
Tony u numpty take ur fing out of JETS ass u bumsucker
John stop showing your ignorance, Wenger has clearly picked him on merit from training and his form and reports from Blackpool. He could have picked Merida, Eastmond, Randall etc all young players with 1st team experience he did’nt for 1st teams games bar West Ham Merida wasn’t included JET was. So clearly he at this present time is ahead of certain players regardless of injuries. A 2nd loan would be great whether back at Blackpool or preferably a Premiership team.
Grown up John
U tube Eastmond has come on in the premiership.
JET has been on the bench twice and so yh hes ready hes ready ready!!
TO KC
On what grounds do you believe that JET is “not even on the same level as henri lansbury”. That statement is completely idiotic. JET was brilliant at U-18 level last year, 2nd only to Wilshere as the best player on the squad. He and Lansbury have both peroformed to mixed reviews at Championship level this season.
JAY THOMAS PERFORMED WELL LAST YEAR IN THE ARSENAL UNDER 18S SO DID LANSBURY BUT HE ALSO PERFORMED FOR SCUNTHORPE, AND FOR THE ENGLAND JUNIOR TEAM BEING THIER BEST PLAYER AGAIN!!!!
MIXED REVIEWS? JAY THOMAS WAS POOR WHISLT LANSBURY HAS DONE VERY WELL FOR WATFORD BEEND THEIR 2ND BEST PLAYER BEHIND TOM CLEBERELY.
HENRI LANSBURY HAS PLAYED FOR THE ENGLAND UNDER 21S AS WELL AS LEAD THE ENGLAND UNDER 19S TO THE FINAL AGAIN JUST LIKE THE UDNER 17 CHAMPIONSHIPS HE LEAD THEM TO THE FINAL AS WELL BACK THEN.
If this kid can work out this would be great. You gotta keep track of the Copa Sao Paulo-Lots of good young talent playing in these marches. The big guns are using their younger players to see how well they will perform in a high stakes tourney. So far there are several head turners. http://bobbygee.wordpress.com/
Well in the Fa youth cup final 1st leg wilshere was the best player and in the 2nd leg HEnri lansbury was th best player i have watched the game again and he was superb on the right wing his passing and control waas superb.
Jay thomas waas summed up in the fa youth cup final great at home were conditions are good when arsenal are playing well.
The second leg at anfield he was truly awful he gave the ball away countlessly, didnt track back, tried using skills/tricks to go past players when passing is suitable and hogging the ball.
Tiny typo, he was born in Forest Gate, not Forest Green…
Most of u dislike john but he’s right! Lansbury wasn’t called to the under 21 by coincidence. On having 8 players ahead of him that’s no problem. This is a competetive world and Arsenal is a competetive club! But more importantly if the Arsenal academy cannot produce competetive players than we better close it.
John, your views are childish.
—————————————————————-
I’m not interested in who’s better between Lansbury and JET. I’m interested in the development of all of Arseanl’s young players. And, especially in those that have the ability to sustain a first team place at the Mighty Arsenal and become world class players.
——————————————————————
I rate JET and Lansbury at about the same level of development, and neither, frankly, is anywhere near Ramsey’s standard. Ramsey’s level is what it will take to break into the first team. JET and Lansbury may improve greatly, but the problem is that those already in the first team are not that much older than they are and will also still be improving DESPITE ALREADY BEING 1ST TEAMERS! Don’t you get it. To break through at Arsenal you have to be extaordinary as a youngster. “Good” is not enough. “Very Good” is not enough. “Exceptional” is not enough. Only “Extraordinary” talent can break through at Arseanl during teenage years like Fabregas and Ramsey. And as someone wisely noted above, that’s exactly as it should be.
—————————————————————–
Put down JET as much as you want, and laud Lansbury as much as you want. But I don’t think many people are convinced by your words. You are not an Arseanal fan as much as you are a Lansbury fan. This is evident by how defensive you are against the possibility of JET succeding at the club where Lansbury fails. I expect Lansbury to be sold, and possibly JET too. It will be very interesting to see if you remain an AFC fan when that happens, or if you suddenly become a supporter of the team Lasnbury goes to.
Regarding Denilson. Yes, I agree with others who’ve said that there seems to be a piece to his game that is missing. I think there is something to that. The skills he has are developed at a very high level, but I would like to see him have a bit more of a cutting edge in terms of penetrating passing.
——————————————————–
Denilson’s value is that his distribution is almost solely about ball possession and ball control. I think many people under estimate how important this is for a team who’s philosophy is about maintaining possession and making the opposition chase the ball, often to the point of fatigue. I would like to see his passing become more clinical in the final third and I would likek to see him develop the ability to run at players and dribble them more, but I have great respect for the the fact that as he matures his ability to retain possession gets better and better.
———————————————————
I also think it’s important to realize that he’s only 21. He will continue to develop and in 3 years when he’s 24, he will likely be an excellent midfielder.
————————————————————-
Re. Rosicky being reated last in terms of preference, that is exclusively because of his injury problems. A healthy Tomas Rosicky is probably ahead of Nasri and possibly Diaby in my rankings. He is an absolutely world class talent when he’s not injured, but unfortunately that is more and more reare these dasys, so I put him at the bottom of the pecking order.
I am a massive gooner i love arsenal. Look i love jay thomas, henri lansbury i like all our young player but my favourite arsenl youth player is Henri Lanbsury which is why i big him up all the time.
Ppl just havent seen alot of him but i actaully think Lansbury can overtake ramsey personally. I always saw Lansbury as a gerrard get the ball from the defence drive through midfield creating chances or getting shots in just like ramsey.
lansbury and ramsey could be like gerrard and lampard for us
Lansbury is in direct competition with Denilson for his spot in the rotation. The problem is that Ramsey is looking like he will get to a level some where around Fabregas so barring injuries, it will be extremely tough to get a spot with those to plus i still feel Diaby will become top class. Lansbury’s 1st goal should be to become 4th choice which would get him gametime.
KC- People through the term “World Class” around way to much now days. Rosicky is a good player but World Class…no.
Hey Shane, make no mistake about it, when healthy Rosicky IS world class. I think that Rosicky will be a lot healthier if he truly is 100% if he isn’t then he will always pick up these little pain in the ass injuries. Rosicky’s technique and inteligence are superb and he can play for a long time because of this. even if it’s not at Arsenal, say when he’s 35-37 onwards. He could walk in to any side in the world when healthy. There really isn’t another player in the world like him. Iniesta maybe. Denilson is fine I think. Not everyone can run like Diaby or dribble like Arshavin. In this 3 man midfield everyone has a very particular role and it’s really interesting to see. Denilson would be in trouble if we switched to a four man midfield because of his lack of strength to be the sole anchor. But this is why Wenger is such a great manager. When it comes to this season’s tactics he has taylored the formation to suit the players he likes and the players he has available. He doesn’t ever ask someone to do something they aren’t capable of doing. If Denilson adds some strength he will be an almost clone-like Gilberto. Really I think he would be so similar. He really can settle the team down when things get rough and congested with his ability to maintain posession and his ability to find a free man who is not under any pressure. It doesn’t really matter if it is 20 yards down the field or 10 yards to the left, right or behind him. Hey if or when Wenger feels he isn’t needed, then he won’t be used as much or he will be sold.
Once again Rosicky is good but not “WORLD CLASS”. If he was true world class then we would not have been competing with Atletico Madrid for his signature but more like Real Madrid. We will continue to disagree but there are only about 15-20 world class players and he simply isnt on that list. By the way there are a few players in the in the Iniesta role…Modric being 1 of them.
John,
Ok, so be it. You think he can overtake Ramsey. I think that’s highly unlikely. The reason is because Ramsey is performing like a star at Prem level, while Lansbury is delivering average performances at Championship level. I know you seem to think he’s doing remarkable things, but you yourself labeld him as the “2nd best player” at a Championship side. Things can change obviously, but 2nd best on a Championship side doesn’t begin to touch the level Ramsey’s producing at Prem level. Do the math..Lansbury’s a long way from Ramsey. Ramsey is on the same developmental curve as Cesc.
———————————————————-
Shane, I disagree that he’s direct competition with Denilson. That would be better for him if he was, but his game…the role he performs best is not as a non-attacking ball control player like Denilson, it’s more as a brain on the field, an organizer and visionary. Unfortunately, that puts him in direct competition with Ramsey, not Denilson. This is a battle he’s a long, long way from winning at present.
Ditto for JET, who will likely be put in line to compete with Diaby as another physical yet technically gifted force that can run at players and dominate matches. JET, too, is light years behind Diaby and, barring a massive surge in his development, will have to be prepared to sit and wait several seasons for his chance.
Because we competed with Atletico Madrid for Rosicky’s signature, that means he isn’t world class?? I agree with you on your last point. Modric and Rosicky are very similar. THINK AGAIN.WHEN HE IS 100% fit he IS WORLD CLASS. He hasn’t been up to his usual standards since the beggining 2007-2008 season, but I think he can get there again. He is only 29/30 and his game doesn’t rely on tonnes of pace. He was the one player that Arsene should have tried to sign that summer, based on his performances with Borussia Dortmund and the Czech national team. Yeah, yeah i know Dortmund and the Bundesliga aren’t the biggest of football theatres, but the world cup certainly is and his club form could not be ignored. The only thing that is working against him is that he is at his very best when he plays through the middle and at Arsenal he hasn’t been, but nonetheless, he is a superb crosser (too bad we don’t have anyone who can head the ball that is fit right now) He is a great passer and he has a canon of a shot. What more do you want when talking about an attacking midfield player?? If he doesn’t get back his form, then fine, but we gotta give him at least till the end of this year and the first half of next. At least.
Yes, Shane, I agree about the term ‘world class’ being thrown around too easily, but I do believe that the Rosicky that came to us from Dortmund was easily a world class player. Even than at 25/26 he’d bene established as one of the best midfielders in Europe for 2-3 years.
Little Mozart is a very special player. One of the few that I feel definitely deserved the title. He’s not world class anymore due to his injury problems, and your right in a way because now, even when fit, he probably can’t recapture the form of his pre-injury days. But during his best, healthiest years…world class…absolutely!
JS i got some inside info that Arsenal have enquired about marko Arnautovic. You heard any info on this?
To be fair, I did not see Rosicky play at Dortmund because I have just truly started watching football and a high level about 5 years ago because living in America it isnt easy which is why I talk on here so much because there arent alot of places you can talk soccer/football in America. I have watched some old games tho through uefa.com and such but previous dortmund teams I havent really seen. So I will say since he has been at Arsenal, he has not been world class. I also think you dont have to be playing for a top club to be “world class”…in fact I think some players are given way to much cradit because the talent they get to play with makes them look better especially when you look at there tasks on these great teams. Biggest example is Xavi which I get alot of stick for saying. He is a product of getting to play with the like of Ronaldinho,Iniesta,Messi,Ibrahimovic..etc. He makes simple passes and is nothing more then a good link man. While there are and were world class players not at so called giant clubs. Examples being Juninho and Modric. To me “world class” meens you have something special. Fabregas and Arshavin have somthing special about them. Arshavin is another example of a world class talent not at a big club while at Zenit. We unfortunetly didnt get him at his true prime. Mauro Zarate of Lazio is Word Class and is the new Arshavin to me. Know one will truly recognize his talent until he is at a big club.
i think the world class players in our team r
fabregas
van persie
arshavin
sagna imo one if the best rbs in da world
i think sooner or later players like eboue, almunia, silvestre need to be removed sooner or later. eboue id give another 2 years because we really need players we can depend on not players that dive nearly EVERY SINGLE game. hes worst than rooney mate
Shane,
I was feeling everything you were saying until you got to Mauro Zarate as world class…then I started laughing out loud! Zarate has 2 goals and 1 assist in 16 matches this season…two goals, 1 assist! Is that world class by your standards? You have got to be joking, and it’s a very good joke ‘cuz I’m still laughing!!!
Shane,
I do agree with you re. turly world class players not needing to be at big clubs to prove their ability. Juninho with Lyon, Ronaldinho with PSG, Torres with Atletico Madrid, Zola with Chelsea in the 90’s were all examples of world class players doing the business week in week out at average size clubs with average histories.
Last year he had 13 goals in Serie A last year and scored an amazing goal in the final verse sampdoria in the cop italia. Plus football is a game that you have to actually watch the games and the players to judge. Lazio is not a very good team which obviously would contribute to his goal tally plus football isnt a game that you can just look at stats then judge. Trust me, that kid is world class.
No, I don’t buy it for a second. Besides, you seem to be contradicting yourself big time…
“I also think you dont have to be playing for a top club to be “world class”…in fact I think some players are given way to much cradit because the talent they get to play with makes them look better especially when you look at there tasks on these great teams.”
Now your saying, “Lazio is not a very good team which obviously would contribute to his goal tally…” You can’t have it both ways. I agree with your first statement, that if a player turly is world class, which Zarate isn’t even close to being, than they can do it at a big or a small club.
And I’m sorry, you can come up with as many excuses and apologies and justifications aa you want to for 2 goals in 16 matches, but no matter what hoops you try to jump through that isn’t anything like the performance of a world clas player. In fact, it stinks!
See I dont think van persie is “world class”. He has a few qualities that are world class such as his technique but to me he is right behind the world class category. As for wing backs, Clichy is in the world class category. His pace and power are amazing. The way he is able to recover plus his attacking is superb. Sagna on the other hand is very good but while being one of the best right backs, only Maicon and Dani Alves are World Class. Sagna is more of a product of our system. While he has the endurance, his crossing while coming in quantity generally lacks real quality. Arshavin is World Class unfortunetly because of the change in system, while it is better for the overall team, we do not see him at his best position which is in the whole right behind a target striker. Which would put him around the top of the box where he is best at. (Man Utd goal,Liverpool, etc). Gallas was world class but that happened at chelsea. 2 guys on the rise are Vermaelen and Song. If you look at def mids that play in the 4-3-3 system he is moving up the list. Plus his ball control is as good as any in that position.
Agreed on Zarate, he is phenomenal. Lazio are just very poor this year.
And looks like JET is now always training with the first team from the pics on the website.
Just watch and wait…plus a teams issues can bring down a players stats. Have you watched a lazio game? Or have you watch Mauro Zarate play? Until you do dont argue. I never comment on a player that I havent actually watched play….not on youtube but full games.
Shane, you yourself said it best. The term ‘world class’ is used far too much.
——————————————————
I love Arsenal and I love Clichy, but he isn’t a world class player. He has some qualities that are at the highest level, but Clichy is still maturing mentally. His tendency toward a loss of concentration leading to a defensive catastrophe excludes him from ‘world class’ level for me.
Arshavin, Cesc, and probably Song are the only world class players at Arsenal at present. Diaby is on his way, and dare I say, so is Ramsey but he is still well short of the designation for me.
Clichy is simply the best left back in the world bar none. His only knock is that he makes a mistake once in a while. Who doesnt, but his qualities both ways as a left back can only be matched by 1 other outside back in the world and Maicon is by far the best wing back in world.
Well I can sympathize with you (Shane) about living in a country that doesn’t give a flying fuck about football, lol. I live in Canada which is just as bad when it comes to the priority that football takes in our sporting regime. Robin Van Persie is world class. I can’t believe you don’t think he is. Just because a player is injury prone doesn’t mean he isn’t world class. I know he isn’t the most clinical finisher, but he plays the centrwe forward position a way that nobody else can. If he’s not world class he certainly is a rare and friggin unique talent!! lol. I do agree that the term “world class” is thrown about a bit too freely when it comes to the football vernacular.
I find it funny that so many people not 2 long ago doubted Diaby now everyone is saying he is good. I hope you arent one of those people. I have been defending Diaby the whole way but I gues that is how it works. People only see the obvious and that is why people jump on band wagons.
Actually I agree with you about Van Persie. It’s a real shame he got injured because I think he could have broken into that “world class” category. He’s still young enough to but with all the injuries he’s had he might never make it which is really sad. But at least he’s proud to be a gunner.!!
It isnt that vp is injury prone but he just simply isnt world class at tho moment. Some of his skills are amazing but for me he is just a bit short. Top class but not world class but hey, I can be wrong sometimes. Its not that America deosnt love this game because they do. The problem is that our country is so big that the fans are spread out. I live in Indiana and this is definetly not a soccer state. The worst thing is that because I’m American, people assume we all have a lack of knowledge about football. I dont see where I am born having any effect on my knowledge of a sport.
I got frustrated with a series of matches Diaby had earlier this season, but overall, I have been a huge fan of his since he came to us as a teenager. I am a tireless critic of fans who dis our players after every bad game.
—————————————————–
I try to think of our team in terms of development rather than finished product because most of our players are so young. If I were an Inter supporter or a Chelsea supporter, I wouldn’t care if I heard a lot of stick thrown at players after poor performances because their players are “developed” and not “still developing”.
While being honest about where they are at, we need to get behind this team and support them. I was even a staunch opponent to all the insane garbage hurled at Adebayor and Eboue. They were scapegoated for reasons I don’t care to understand. But it’s a unique fault of Arsenal fans that they are so desperate for trophies and so spoiled by the success AW has brought them that they are far less patient/forgiving with our players than they should be. And of course, the English players get a pass on this point. They are treated with kit gloves compared to the foreign players, simply because their English. (see the different degree of criticism hurled at Merida vs. that hurled at Wilshere after the WH match. Both were terrible but Wilshere was given a pass and excused left and right, while Merida was not).
Well I still love RVP and his talents fit the club perfectly which is all that matters to me. I just wish he forgets how to get injured lol.
Also Shane, as much as it pains me to admit it, I do believe that Patrice Evra is the best left back in the world, and has been for the last three years. He’s exceptional going forward and at defending, and almost never makes mistakes that lead to goals. He’s the best and if Clichy recovers in time to find his best form and beat out Evra for a starting spot in South Africa, I will gladly eat my words. But it ain’t gonna happen…
And, yes, I am aware that France have the worst manager in the history of international football…the Jackass of all Jackasses…!!! But still, that’s not why Clichy doesn’t start for France, it’s because Evra’s the better player.
I believe this is a discusion board so people should be able to state opinions as long as they have a basis. You dont have to think evry Arsenal young player is the best. Booing is not cool but discussing why you think a player isnt good enough, in a discussion is not wrong.
I do agree that Enlgish people tend to show a blind support of English players but that is normal for any country. Like if Jay Simpson was not english, then people would say he has no chance and needs to move on. People even deny the fact that Wenger is trying to produce British talent, even though Wenger has said it. Even when there is nothing wrong either with focusing on producing homegrown talent.
Like how some people say we should try to sign eden hazard because we have players like sanchez watt coming through even tho Eden Hazard is the same age and about 100 times better. If Hazard was english then the fans would not be saying that.
Well you can’t have it all. It’s gonna be soooo hard to sign Hazard. I know he is a star but if another team (preferably not in England) lands him then there will be others to buy…maybe even English talent!! Or we can concentrate on developing who we have no matter where they are from and see how that works. I’m not a big Watt fan either but you gotta work with what you have, and then if it isn’t enough then you can worry about who is out there. Do we know if what we have is enough to remain competitive and maybe become dominant?? I don’t think anyone knows yet so we just gotta wait…and talk and talk and talk lol.
I’m a huge fan of Jay Emmanuel- Thomas I really think Arsene should give him three premier starts soon and not loan him out ! Go Arsenal Football Club.
Couple things about Hazard. He could have moved earlier in his career but he chose to sign the pro contract at lille and has stayed there so that shows he is a player that takes his development seriously verses players that jump at any chance to join the huge clubs. That meens he is a player that knows what clubs are best for his developement. Plus the man said he only wants Arsenal or Real Madrid. I dont want to see us come so close but let another guy that turns into a true world class border line legend go like Ibrahimovic, Ronaldinho,C.Ronaldo, Drogba,Essein. Be honest, it hurt when you saw the picture of Ibrahimovic holding the Arsenal jersey. Henry and Ibrahimovic in their prime would have been close to if not the best stiker partenership of all time.
Well I still don’t know enough about the man to trust his word. Arsene has mentioned Ozil before and he is another young talent I admire. But he is probably just a level below Hazard. Although he has impressed at Werder and at the Euro under 20’s. It’ll still be hard to sign either one but we got Ramsey, Nasri etc. so I’m not saying it won’t. In fact it’s probably 50/50.
Ozils contract actually is running up soon and is probally going to move in the summer. It is always risky tho because a couple good games at the world cup and your price sky rockets. Even tho he isnt a guy Arsenal will probly sign, a guy I have been impressed with this year is Kevin Prince-Boeteng of Pompey. I know he has a bad attitude rep but he has power,agility,creativity,a good shot, a good enigine and is a talent I think could be molded into top class. Also Moussa Dembele of AZ Alkmaar is a talent. He looks a bit off this year compared to last year but I believe it is because he has out grown his club and needs a new challenge. He is so smooth with the ball and has the pace and strength.
Yeah Boateng is good! But we got a tonne of players in that role like Diaby,JET,and Aneke, but yes i’ve watched him 3 or 4 times and I’ve been impressed. He can play right back too! Ozil or Hazard would be awesome, not to mention Lukaku hahaha but it’s not the end of the world if we sign none of them. Depends what happens this month too. Chris Duffy of Everton is good, but I doubt they would let him go and we might have enough young centre backs coming through anyway. And i’ve only seen him play two games so I should probably keep my mouth shut! lol
Havent seen Duffy but signing British players for top ten clubs is near impossible. Their prices are rediculous. I forgot Jack Collison too who I believe will be top class. Ball control,Passing,strength. He plays out of position at westham(as a winger) but in a 3 man midfield he will be class.
haha I know signing British talent is basically pointless because of the over pricing although Ramsey wasn’t outrageously expensive, but he was from a lower division. I’m kinda hoping we get this Matthews kid from Cardiff that some websites are saying we are interested in. He’s a fullback and 19 but if he’s anywhere close to Ramsey we might as well try the well one more time at least right??
I watched him play this year. He played like 25 minutes at left back vs i believe it was Middlesbrough. He look quite good defensively verse Adam Johnson but I would have to watch him alittle more to make a good judgement. Doesnt seem to be the true up and down wingback wing extreme pace that we are good with. He keeps being linked to Man Utd but they already have 2 of the best young backs in the world in Fabio and Rafael.
Yeah we probably won’t sign him. Think he could play any other positions?? who knows, maybe if we have scouted Matthews then they might see some versatiliity in him. Kinda like Eastmond. But if he isn’t outstanding at that level, we probably shouldn’t sign him. I never saw Ramsey play for cardiff City though, but I just got the impression from all the rumours that he was truly special. The Raheem Stirling front is pretty quiet now. i’ve never seen him play either lol.
Actually the lack of news on Stirling makes sense now that we have Zezinho almost locked up haha.
Yah we always seem to talk about players we have never seen play. I havent seen Sterling play. I did see Ramsey play as a right winger in the fa cup. He played a through ball that just caught my eye. It showed the vision he had. Then I saw the goal he scored verse burnley. Plus for a coach to put a 17 year old i a fa cup final game shows alot about the mental part of the footballer. With attacking players you can just see signs of quality in players. This is the first year I have got to watch some championship(2nd division) games because they have some of them on espn360.com. Dont know if Mathews can play another position but his main one is rightback unlike Ramsey who was a centermid but played outside mid and back for cardiff.
I wish I had ESPN or Setanta sports cuz the majority of matches in England I have to watch over the internet. And we don’t have enough money for satelite so it’s hard to see every Arsenal match, never mind the youth and reserves!!, although it’s been easier the last few seasons because I use the internet. But still it’s hard to get good quality. I can see lots of Serie A games on Sundays cuz I got a latin television network. I’ll agree with your stance on “the Zarate Kid” but he just seems like a total jerk. At times during matches he takes outrageous shots from distance when he has a couple mates open. He’s goin at it verbally with Totti apparently. They both seem like jerks but still. And sometimes he does go missing, but on the whole he is extremely talented and isn’t the finished article yet. It’s all about attitude with him.
Yah I watch Arsenal game whether it be on tv or online. I watch the reserves and u18 games extended highlights on Arsenal.com. I watch the spanish, german and Italian games on tv. The Champs league on tv and ueropa league on uefa.com. I watch psv,ajax,fc porto,Benfica games on espn360.com and about 2 championship games a week on there too.I watch 1 australian game on tv a week. I watch mls on mlsnet.com and colombian and Brazil leagues on tv. Then I download french league games. Plus I watched the u20 and u17 world cups. So I watch alot of football unfortunetly it is all on tv.
In shane’s bizzarro world Van Basten isn’t world class because he was injury prone
if arsenal sing a british young talent it should be no one else than ipswich conor wickham!!!! this kid will be a wolrd class player very soon….for the one who never see him play , he looks like a young ibrahimovic!!!!
by the way JET should go back to blackpool , he already have a good relation with coach and club , he would be a starter….what else he wants?
I didnt say van persie wasnt world class because he is injury prone moron.
Some of you need to learn to respect other people’s opinion..
To many rude comments…
I know Giandano, they are rude.
100 COMMENTS , THATS LIKE 5 ARTICLES IN JS LAST 8 THAT HAVE REACHED PAST A 100 COMMENTS.
They, I was just responding to someone rude wrong comment.