Welcome to this weekends loanees watch – Young Guns’ analysis, reports and updates on the progress of the young starlets currently plying their trade away from the Emirates Stadium. You can read all the latest reports below.
Nicklas Bendtner was not in action this weekend, with Sunderland taking on Norwich City on Monday.
Kyle Bartley missed Rangers’ 4-0 win over Dunfermline as he continues to receive treatment on a long standing groin problem
Henri Lansbury played the full 90 minutes as West Ham beat Peterborough 1-0. Lansbury’s good form continued, as he earned an 11th minute penalty, which Mark Noble scored to secure all three points.
James Shea was not included in the Dagenham & Redbridge squad that lost 2-1 to Northampton
Joel Campbell came off the bench to play the final 15 minutes of Lorient’s 1-1 draw with Lille. Campbell struggled to get involved, and was lucky not to be given a card following a poor tackle on Franck Beria in the closing stages.
Carlos Vela started and played 58 minutes of Real Sociedad’s 2-1 defeat to Real Mallorca. Vela won a handful of free-kicks and had two chances to score, but was withdrawn just before the hour mark.
Wellington Silva was not included in the Levante squad that faced Espanyol. Silva and his agent met with Levante officials this week to talk about his future, but all parties failed to find a successful agreement.
Pedro Botelho missed Rayo Vallecano’s 6-2 defeat to Real Madrid through suspension.
Samuel Galindo started and played 45 minutes on his Gimnàstic debut as they lost 3-1 to Huesca. Galindo showed some neat touches in central midfield, but was withdrawn with an injury at half time.
Levante is fucking us. Never should have loaned Wellington back to them. He needs a change of scenery in the worst way.
welington should be sold the last thing we need is a kid with an attitude and a big mouth with no work ethics… glad lansbury signed a new contract… think galindo can’t make it at arsenal, he can’t even stay injury free in spain, doubt he could do it in england… glad vela is getting some time, wenger seems to have a lot of faith in him, otherwise he would have benn sold… anyone have any info on bartleys return date???
You’re a bit of an idiot mate.
we are talking about the loanees, weather i’m an idiot or not is not the point… if you disagree, give your opinion i’ll respect it, but don’t call someone an idiot like that… i just think that welington is blowing a lot of chances to be regarded as someone on who we could count on…
Must agree with Sid! You are a bit of an Idiot. Leave the scouting reports to those that know how to!
It’s not Wenger want to keep Vela. Just no one can afford his wage so we can’t sell him. The same apply to A1 and B52.
wellington – its either he isnt good enough or making the same mistake of sending him to the same club that was cruel to him last season was bad judgement on our side.
vela – watched him couple of times – time to let go.
lansbury – would be a huge player for us next season.
welington had a falling out with some guy from levante (coach or owner i’m not sure)… than they replaced that guy (coach or owner) but welington is still not playing… he also did’t play for his brasilian side before coming to arsenal, guess why… he had a raw with their coach… the guy just doesn’t have the right attitude…
JS Who’s paying for Wellingtons wages? Are Arsenal paying most if it?
i think vela’s loan is a shop window loan to be honest, his time is up at arsenal.
i was never all that impressed with what i saw of wellington so if it doesn’t work out with him i won’t be that bothered, but arsenal made a massive blunder sending him to levante again. what do they expect? he should have gone to cartagena or something.
I believe Lansbury was MotM.
The season just started but Wellington should not stay in Levante. We should never loan a player to that club again. Get him to Lorient where the coach seems to believe in youths and is a great coach as well.
Look at Balotelli. He have huge problems off the pitch but is still able to perform. I watched one of Levantes matches in preseason and he looked easily one of their best player on the pitch. So I don’t buy the shit that he is not good enough. It is most likely his attitude but when a player isn’t given a chance for a whole season then the same thing happen again he will be frustrated.
They wanted to have him but doesn’t care to play him even if he could do something it seems. Let him speak on the pitch and let him put on a bad performances and sub him off if he is not good enough. That way he will understand he was not good enough and was rightly subbed off for that reason. They way they do now is wrong. Not even giving him a minute to show anything. Let him go to a team and coach who can handle youths. French league should be considered.
so galindo debuts after injury spell and getsi njured again? arsenal through and through already I see lol
Sounds like the new Abu Diaby, Tall, Center Mid, good dribler, looks ugly and always injured.
Where have I heard that familiar song before, called “Bad Attitude”, now has the Arsenal Youth Director of football gotten off his fat arse to investigate?
How much did we pay for this lads services Again?
These are hard times and we are ready to throw this monies down the drain! If the placement is not working, what ought we to do? Anyone with limited knowledge, experience and skills of dealing and working with young people to achieve a positive outcome can comfortably turn this situation around. Let’s see what Arsenal will do!
In the end if we take no action, it would be said, Arsenal not Lavante failed this kid!
Where the fuck do these morons come from?
We seem to be going through a period where these players just aren’t cutting it. Is it we over hype them and they just aren’t as good as we thought? Or is the way Arsenal are managing the transition from youth player to 1st team.
Vela was touted as a true up and coming super star. A top class finisher. Yet he couldn’t even get a starting place in the WBA team, and he isn’t exactly young anymore. Yes he has the best years ahead of him, but he needs to be compared to the likes of Herdenandez, Wellbeck, Sturridge, which he just isn’t.
Was it us? Or was it Arsenal? Or was it just him?
At least if we can answer that one we will have a better understanding and expectation of Afobe, Bartley, Coquelin, Wellington, Ryo, Campbell, Freeman, Landsbury etc.
Or will they just be another Vela or JET!
same old problem wellington with levante…what’s problem that stupid rubbish levante management try to do? ggggrrrrr
Complete over reactions by a few numbskull idiots as usual.
The very nature of the youth system will always mean the majority do not make it at Arsenal. Thats a fact, a sad one in some cases, but a fact nonetheless.
Get a fucking grip and stop bitching. You are embarrassing yourselves.
Moaning about Wellington…Yes an overeaction as he is still very raw.
But you can’t say moaning about Vela is an overeaction, he has had time and chances both at and away from Arsenal.
And we shouldn’t except that a majority will not make it. Arsene has installed this method against the tactics which Chelsea and City follow, the style of Fergie in the transfer and development of players, and the manor to which Spurs conduct themselves. We have lost ground on opportunites as we have stuck to a plan. Therefore this plan must be delivered, so you can’t except that only a handful of players will make it across dozens of squads throughout a number of seasons. With the investment and trust we place in youth, we MUST EXPECT a good ROI, otherwise it is flawed.
Thats not me saying it is, or it won’t happen, we just need to see more of these players make that extra step…it will be interesting to see who does…
What percentage of games do you think vela has started in his entire career? It’s got to be 10-20% at best.
How can you say he’s had chances? Even when he played well for a few games he couldn’t get games at arsenal. You might say it was only the carling cup, but when oxlade does it, he’s straight away heralded as a great player, and I have no doubt wenger will put him in the side this year if we have injuries or tired players (and I do think he should – but vela should have been given the same chances).
Even when we had no strikers vela couldn’t get a game.
Also, Walcott played badly for 3 whole years (MUCH worse than vela), but he kept getting games until he started playing reasonably well. Some people are just lucky it seems.
Vela as a player can do pretty much anything. His skill level is very high, his work rate is actually very good, he’s strong enough and he’s very quick. His only problem really is concentration, and he messes up a lot of simple passes. Once he get’s over that and starts doing the simple things better he will be a quality forward. I’m convinced of that.
It’s because we paid a lot of money for Walcott, and not much for Vela. It’ll be the same for Oxlade-Chamberlain, he’ll get a lot more chances than Miyachi for the same reason. Although i do think he does deserve them.
For those on loan only Bartley, Campbell and Lansbury might come back the rest won’t including Denilson. They are all waste of resources.
Vela will never make it even in the La Liga let alone the EPl. So is Djourou.
Too much waste of money yet we complain of lack of money. We continue to pay Almunia 50k to stay at home.
Sid – you started your post by insulting others – and you seem to think you are some kind of genius – so tell me how those posts could be termed as overreactions –
Is it saying that we may be we should not have sent wellington to levante again.
or saying that vela isnt good enough.
or is every post an insult to your intelligence.
Boozy
You’re too thick to understand a simple concept I see.
You havent even got the brains to work out what my point was?
You truly are a fucking retard
you idiots need to try watching these guys play instead of being upstairs in your mums house on your compiuters ranting and raving, have you seen the games these guys play and how important these so called want away players are important to their new clubs wellington and vela have what it takes to make it arsenal, lansbury has really imprved but is a chasmpionship player you guys are all so stupid
tom the non-idiot can you please tell me how many wellington games you have seen?
and can you please tell how many more carlos vela games you have seen more than everyone else?
tom you need a reality check. you go on about how important these players are to their clubs… the point being that WELLINGTON ISN’T EVEN IN THE SQUAD. newsflash, not every young player makes it at arsenal. there was other morons saying the same stuff you are when people had the nerve to say lupoli or owusu abeyue wouldn’t make it.
you and all your fan boys lack of knowledge about football is herendous utter idiocy
I think you get it wrong. Lupoli was highly rated but decided to leave arsenal. Muamba did not make it at arsenal but is one of EPLs performing midfielders , Sebatien Larsson is also one, English like Bentley were praised for leaving arsenal but where are they. Look at the players currently performing in the epl and their arse backgrounds. Adebayor , Nasri, Clichy, Muamba, Larson, B52 at Sunderland,Ashley Cole even in spain – Fab, Vela,
did you see vela play today? he played well and took a great free kick that hit the post and then xabi pieto missed he was doing well, lansbury however is playing in the championship a much more simplistic league to la liga and the premier league meaning average players will stand out in that league
I’d like to see a change in the system where PL teams (or all teams that want to) can have a “B” team in the league system like in Spain! Then we could see our young players develop and play all the time…
Imagine how interresting it would be to see Arsenal B vs West Ham or Man U B etc in the Championship :)
That do you guys think?
keep it up lansbury, wellington was never given d chance so stop crucifying him, but for vela he always looks promising, but lack mentality at least we all see his compatriot hernandez, pls where is ”MR PANIC” AlmuniUM
lol so saying not every young player will make it means i lack knowledge. you probably answered my question, i’m sure you were one of those who raged when people said other plays such as lupoli, bentley or aliadiere wouldn’t make it at arsenal :)
Vela, Djourou (go the same route as Senderos)Galindo, Wellington, Bolteho will all not make it. Mark my word.
^ It’s a nice thought, but it really can’t happen. The only way is if the B teams start in a low, low division like AFC Wimbledon did. Its almost disrespectful to teams that have existed for over 100 years to bump them down a division just to make way for the big boy’s little boys.
If it were allowed then it’s apparent that Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, City, Spurs, Everton, Newcastle, Sunderland and more would want to put a team forward. How could they implement between 10 and 20 new teams into the league structure? If they reduced promotion and staggered the introduction of reserve teams that would increase controversy tenfold.
Then if they were to introduce the teams at the very bottom of the ladder, it would be years before it became useful. It wouldn’t be an attractive option for the participating teams.
The reason it works in Spain is that they don’t have such depth and history in their lower leagues.
Perhaps the only way to do it is if they allocated just one place in the champs that the winner of a reserve league took up every year. That leads to reduced disruption in the league system and also increase competition in the reserve league.
I don’t want to seem as though I’m having a pop because on the surface it is a good idea, but its just nigh on impossible to implement.
– That was in response to Rob :)
tom you are still being an idiot – b’cos you havent answered my question –
how many more vela games have you seen more than everyone else.
and how many wellington games have you seen?
Rob
excellent idea – but what i dont understand about the b team format is, if its possible for the b team to gain promotion to top flight.
and if its possible, wouldnt there be a conflict of interest?
To Boozy, no they can’t get into the top league which avoids conflicts of interrest. Barca B i think came like third in Segunda B (didn’t really study the league structure but I think then at least our guys would play and develop more then in the reserves today and get the benefit of gelling together)
Allowing the top richest clubs to have ‘B’ teams competing in the lower leagues would kill football as we know it. It would create an even bigger divide between the biggest clubs and the rest. Players would be drawn to play for Arsenal B rather than say Brighton or Luton, due to the wages and prospects on offer. This would push established clubs down the tables and reduce their revenue.
However it is becoming a problem. Unless you have millions to splash every season, the only way you can compete with the likes of City now and in the future would be to produce 1 or 2 strong players each season. The current method Arsenal are using is not as productive as I am sure a B team playing in the championship would be.
The best option would be to allow clubs to link up. Allow the top Premiership clubs to sponsor a local team. They could share players, scounting, coaching, techniques, with the richer club investing in the smaller clubs facilities, youth development and local community. They could be run as contracts for 10 years at a time then the clubs should part with some fair exit plans staggered until all ties end, and a new contract should be setup with another club, through a independently audited tender process. There would be advantages for both clubs, and it would ensure all the foriegn money falling into our top clubs could be invested into local clubs, communities, and home grown youth developement.
I think it would also mean that alot of the players that the manager does not think would make the first team would still be playing for Arsenal B.
JET for example would always choose to play championship football for Arsenal B, over Ipswich.
Another problem is that if in the event that Arsenal B got into the championship, and they ended up as champions the top team would not gain promotion to the premiership.
third problem could be that as premiership teams get richer, and lower prem clubs get bought over, they will all want a B team playing. This could cause all the lower division talent to go the B teams over other smaller clubs. This could cause the championship to have about 7 or 8 teams who could not gain promotion.
Good idea Guru. Would be nice to see some cooperation that benefits both sides…
Would really like if teams more or less had a cooperation longterm with e.g. a championship side where we load out several players at the same time and more or less know they will be given a chance etc.
Still kinda surprised that Lansbury went out on loan.
Good player who could have done a job in the absence of Denilson (loan), Diaby (Long Term injury), Wiltshire (long Term Injury) and the sales of Nasri and Fabregas.
He could have done a good job, and then gone out on loan in January if he still needed first team football then.
Would have loved to see Benik Afobe given a chance in the carling cup, hope he gets a good loan move away, i reckon he could actually do a good backup job at Bolton, or Everton but no premiership team would take the risk.
Wrong accession. Did you watch the Matches he played in the middle and did he not play against Manu in the 8.2
Benik’s injured
It’s too bad Lansbury was so shockingly poor when he got a few short chances in pre-season. He could have given himself a better chance to figure in Wenger’s plans before January. Maybe he’ll comeback in the winter window and play well for us??? Or is it a deffinate season-long loan??? I’ve seen him play very well before and I know what he is capable of. He could be a very good player if he fulfills his potential.
Yeah, he also went down in my estimation at the Man U game where he came on as sub and strolled around with a smirk on his face. I guarantee Wilshere wouldn’t have done that. Aside from his lack of pace i would say there is still a questionable ego there.
arsenal.com says its a season long loan but whether there’s any small print call back options or anything is another matter.
Gunner Guru – At what level, would the link up clubs be? Would Arsenal be linking up with Watford or Barnet?
With that in mind, I am surprised no club tried to make Portsmouth their link bitches with the amlunt of troubles they have had even putting a squad together.
Sid, you call everyone idiots and retards without explaining why or giving any meaningful input in to any post what so ever. Grow a spine you sad internet freak, hiding behind your computer spouting out abuse to any person that has an opinion. Now fuck off or else tolerate other peoples views you vain conceited cunt!
Chris
Yes I think Arsenal linking up with a Branet or Watford would be ideal.
Arsenal would invest in them, youth development, comunities support to get young people into sport and off their computers and out of gangs! We would have first dids and be able to buy/own 50% any product of that system, while the lower team could take long term loans or have 50% ownership form Arsenal reserves and youth. Imagine if Watford had today a team like Mannone, Miquel, Gilbert, Coquelin, Sidwell, Aneke, Afobe, Landsbury, Sunu, Freeman, Stokes, some they own as didn’t cut it at Arsenal, some on long terms 3 year loans, and some just for one season.
Watford would stand a good chance of getting back in the Prem building a team this way, while Arsenal would have unearthed Ashley Young on the cheap and maybe more if we would have invested and supported their youth and development. While maybe some of our young stars would have been treated better, got more minutes, played under an Arsenal style of coaching, and vitally all played together as a team.
Then maybe when 10 years is up their is anm exit plan while a new contract with a new club is established.
If the system works and the money contiues to pile into our top clubs for the lucrative Sky contracts and others then top clubs could have a second sponsored team, maybe someone like Crawley, Luton, or Maidenhead for Arsenal?
barnet is very close,they have no money to buy decent player,we use their stadium for reserve but still we never loan some of our youngster (or very few).i never quiet understood that even if they play only league 2 better than some useless reserve match
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It is the price the club pays for trawling the world in search of young stars who may develop into the stars of the future. Some players never fully make the transition from youth to senior football and only blossom later on in their careers when sense finally hits home. Just imagine the extra difficulty of leaving south america as a teenager and try to settle let alone forge a career. Wellington Silva may develop but its a chance the club is gambling on. I hope it works.