Arsenal Reserve team captain Gavin Hoyte will make his Premiership debut tomorrow afternoon, as Arsène Wenger takes his struggling outfit to Manchester City.
The news comes after first team skipper William Gallas was reportedly stripped of the armband following his arrival from International duty with France. Fellow Reserve team players Henri Lansbury and Jay Simpson will take up places on the bench, as injuries take hold.
Emmanuel Adebayor joins Gallas in being absent, as Wenger puts his faith in some of the fearless Carling Cup youngsters.
Follow all the build up ahead of tomorrow’s clash over at Gooner Talk.
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Toure, Silvester, Djourou, why Hoye lol.
because toure and sagna are injured
eboue will play on the right of midfield for theo making the backline
hoyte silvestre djourou clichy
yea?
Toure is injured. Hoyte starts at right back. Djourou comes in too.
Wow, this makes things very interesting.
The team would look like
Almunia
Hoyte Djourou Silvestre Clichy
Wilshere Ramsey Denilson Nasri
Van Persie Bendtner
Subs: Fabianski, Song, Gibbs, Diaby, Lansbury, Vela, Simpson
Almunia
Hoyte – Djourou – Silvestre – Clichy
Diaby – Denilson – Song – Nasri
Bendtner – van Persie
Subs:
Fabianski
Gibbs
Lansbury
Wilshere
Ramsey
Vela
Simpson
Yeah. Hoyte will be pawned by Robinho. I’d say expect a hattrick from Robinho.
remember ders still song aswell, probably gna play him in midfield defensive, denilson attackin mid, nasri left, eboue on the right, bendtner wid diaby behind him, same old same old mark this as another loss stephen ireland is gonna play sick watch
Great for Gavin, but surely there are enough fit first team defenders still in front of him the pecking order?
I know Kolo and Sagna are out, but that still leaves Clichy, Silvestre, Song & Djourou, even taking into account your supposition that Gallas is being left out. This would be a rash decision in my opinion.
A little bit perspective is needed. Do you guys honestly think Hoyte is good enough to go against likes of Robinho, heck even SWP or Ireland? Absolute disgrace if this happens. I know a talent when I see one. Hoyte does possess talent, but not enough to stop the best LM in PL this season – Robinho.
i’d love to see Hoyte start 2mora, but jst think Wenger would play Song at RB. Hoyte is a promising young talent n is better than Justin his older brother, but this is too big of a game for him to start agaisn’t the likes of Robinho n Wright Phillips
whys Ade missing?
Any news on why Adebayor is absent? He is another “potential” trouble maker I hope he was not involved in this saga. Am not so confident about this game seeing our line up.
real talk arsenal need a dominating english man thru the middle dey have heart look at gerrard, carragher, rooney, jenas, nolan, downing, players that will die for dere team
Gallas is the only defender who gives a shit about us winning, and defending as a team. People are of course swayed by Sky’s so-called pundits, and MOTD’s so-called specialists. Bullcrap if we are to snub our best defender!
I know he is hated and all that. But that shouldn’t stop him from playing. If this is Wenger’s decision – It’s a blunder. IF Gallas has volunteered to not travel – then it’s fine, there is no other choice.
All said, our players are so arrogant, and not organized. They get paid a lot, and spoilt a lot by ARsene. That is all I’d say. Not in defence of Gallas, but I can understand the frustration. He shouldn’t have gone public though…
Correct decision on Gallas, should have happened months ago. The squad needs to be improved with a couple of players in their prime ie 27/28 years old. New keeper, centre half and ball winning midfielder are priorities. Arsene knows? Or needs to be told?
the nationality doesn’t make a difference and half those mentioned are average at best.
J??? Any news on why Ade’s missing???
Hoyte is the fastest layer at arsenal I think robinho will have soemwhat of unpleasant suprise playing against him
I agree with you Mo’…good player
Sagna is in the squad….
Based on the evidence of his sub appearence last week, I would say that Ade is not fit yet and was rushed back too soon. Does anyone know if he played for Togo in the week?
RE: Hoyte v Robinho… I too think he will struggle. However if it was Wenger who took the captaincy from Gallas and also dropped him, then personally I would accept a bad result tommorow for the future good of our club. Wenger needed to be strong in this situation and if what we are hearing tonight is true, then I think he has done the right thing.
Sagna is injured mate
HAL, you make alot of good points, i hate the media so much, they never give 2 sides analysis about Arsenal.
Look at our reserve performance after the CC S Utd match, with some young players think they have the divine right to something. Also Wenger was once he was asked he rotates which reserves players that he puts on the bench & he replied its bcuz he doesnt want to give them too much too soon otherwise the stop practising after training.
Also looking at the last’s CC graduates, Denilson, Bendtner, Diaby need to give more when we dont the ball. As for RVP he attitude and temper needs to improve big time & he to must work harder off the ball for the team. Gallas is not the best captain ever but he makes alot truthful points if only others had his committment.
it aint good if GAllas gets dropped. by far our best CB this season (djourou has been better, but haven’t played as much)
That will be a disaster to dethrone Gallas at this time and for what? Because he told it as he saw it? Give me a break!!
BooMeR, I see where you coming from. Gallas has actually done alright in the last couple of games. He was excellent against Man U and I thought he was unfairly criticised about the second Villa goal. However, I just think Wenger had to really lay down the law this time for the good of the club.
km1980 ade played 4 togo an got booked
Gallas is a nightmare and had to be dropped, we are the arsenal not the gallas show. Things at our club have always been sorted in house to ensure that we dont look like a tin pot outfit like the spuds with in house issues aired in the public domain.
This will allow Djourou (yet to conceed) to come in to the team and sort our defence out…even if we lose tomorrow, this is a blessing in disguise
and aint eboue still injured i think ramsey will play on the rite of midfield he played him there in the homw game against fernabache
Not surprised, he’s done well in the Carling Cup. But I’m sure Adebayor will be in the squad as he came on as sub last week. If this Gallas thing is true (not saying it isn’t, its just that SkySports announced it after the runours on the internet)
My guess of the team would be:
Almunia
Hoyte
Djourou
Silvestre
Clichy
Diaby
Denilson
Song
Nasri
RVP
Ade
Subs: Fabianski, Ramsey, Vela, Bendtner, Wilshere, Gibbs, Simpson
I would have played Ramsey ahead of Song but that may change, seeing as our defence is younger
Have a look on Arsenal’s website. Sanga is not on the injury list and neither is Adebayor. Don’t you think Arsenal themselves will be the first to report injuries to players.
also Song played their against Everton for the 1st half and was awful
Almunia(c)
Hoyte – Djourou – Silvestre – Clichy
Ramsey – Denilson – Diaby – Nasri
Bendtner – Van persie
Think Gallas had to be stripped of captaincy. He embarrased our football club. I understand his comments but publicising them was wrong.
Gallas and Fabregas are our two best players, the two that have acheived more than most. Theyre hurting more than anyone and thats all due to Wenger not matching thier ambition by not buying the class and experience we needed in the summer. Gallas is finished at Arsenal now & Fabregas doesnt look too happy either.
Wenger needs to replace the likes of Diaby, Denilson and Song with proven worldclass players like De Rossi & Schweinsteiger or risk losing Fabregas in the summer
G4L, if you’re looking to the official website for updates mate you may as well give up now…It’s a fucking joke
where did you find out Sagna is in the squad? my understanding from arse.com is that Sagna, Toure and Eboue are all out.
can Silvestre play on the right? i’d be inclined to take a punt on him over the likes of Djourou, Song or Gavin Hoyte on the right against ROBINHO who is in white hot form.
Thanks for the info on Ade, superfab.
Boomer i agree with your point.
Gonner Chris, why would Ade be rested unless he carrying a knock, how did you get your info?
————Manuel(C)——–
Hoyte Djourou Silvestre Clichy
———-Song———-
——-Denilson Diaby———
RVP——————– Nasri
———Adebayor———–
If Ade isnt fit:
————Manuel(C)——–
Hoyte Djourou Silvestre Clichy
———-Song———-
——-Denilson Diaby———
RVP——————– Nasri
———Bendtner———–
And we have one more british player in the team as well now :)
List of players out injured/suspended etc here:
http://goonertalk.com/2008/11/21/unbelievable-10-players-not-included-in-city-squad/
Scwiensteiger is no more a proven world class player than Diaby.
i cnt see vela being involved he aint been involved in any game after an international and maybe ade has a slight knock and after traveling from togo wenger is just restin him
also any 1 no why vela was sent off 4 mexico
Diaby can’t get in the French squad. He doesn’t have a position. He goes missing most matches. Has no positional sense. Can’t defend. Doesn’t understand the game. This team cannot move forward until the likes of Eboue and Diaby are moved on. They simply aren’t good enough…
why isnt cesc playing tomorrow?
what a shit move, dropping the captain 1 day before a match. It could have atleast been done in a better way, or atleast asking him to step down. Hes our only half decent defender at the moment. He cares about winning. I think hes a cunt but we shouldnt be dropping our best players for speaking the truth. Some of his comments were excessive but hes right about us not being brave enough. I wanna see how Wenger handles this one… how will he manage to put a positive spin on this one?? Now we have an absoloute novice in our starting line-up… fucking stupid, Wengers been loosing for a while now. I am in no way saying he should go but he should have a look at himself.
I can only hope this isnt true and I wouldnt be surprised if it isnt. The team would already be in Manchester way before this whole Gallas being axed came about.
Gallas is right. Although he, as captain, shouldnt be talking about the dressing room in the papers.
michael cesc has a 1 game ban for gettin 5 yellows
Cesc -suspended
CEOT: The fact that Diaby was the french u19 captain and u21 captain (if I’m not mistaken) before the injury coupled with being a graduate of Clarefontane would suggest otherwise dont you think??? The boy is quality, the problem is that he plays in Cescs position
Cesc is suspended
Vela lost his head in the last min’s of the game while trying to kick the ball off of a player he hit his leg instead and he was given a red card for that..
RickyGee: No doubt Diaby has talent, rare dribbling ability, inconsistent yet often good passing, but his pedigree has not been realised. Is he good enough to displace Cesc? Or even Denilson as Cesc’s long-term understudy?
I have a lot of sympathy for what he’s gone through with the assault he suffered from that Sundyland c-nut. Nonetheless, he isn’t good enough and isn’t suited to our pass and move style.
The team would surely benefit from a proper left sided midfielder brought in ahead of him. And as for playing behind the striker, I for one would rather see us attack with Vela or RvP dropping deeper when needed.
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thanks ed
I’ll take Hoyte at RB over Song, that was a disaster last time around. Not sure where this Adebayor info is coming from but it’s worrying, Bendtner hasn’t been too impressive lately. Predicted Lineup:
Almunia
Hoyte Djourou Silvestre Clichy (If Eboue and Ade are healthy)
Eboue Denilson Song Nasri
RVP Adebayor
Almunia
Hoyte Djourou Silvestre Clichy (If not)
Nasri Denilson Song Diaby
RVP Bendtner
No Randall? You would have expected him to be given a place over Lansbury and especially given that he was rested against Norwich for the reserves.
Matt, Sky Sports News just showed live footage of the squad getting off the bus at their hotel in Manchester. There was no sign of Gallas. From a young player perspective I saw Wilshere, Gibbs, Hoyte and Simpson. Didnt see Lansbury but others here are saying he will be in the squad.
Surely Mérida should be above Lansbury in the pecking order and therefore he should be given the opportunity to sit on the bench instead? I would find it very strange if this is not the case.
apparently gallas doesn’t get on with cesc, nasri or ade. Rvp doesn’t get on with theo and ade butts bendtner, who isn’t very popular either by all accounts. Team spirit in general definetly seems to be lacking. Wenger needs to move on those lacking in quality and those damaging morale, starting with the skipper
Randall is probably injured, which explains why he didn’t play in the Norwich game.
As for Bischoff, he’s still working up to full match fitness, If I remember correctly, Neil Banfield said he wouldn’t be in his peak til New Year.
And Adebayor came back late this afternoon, so it’s unlikely he’ll be involved, let alone start.
i agree i cant understand how lansbury cant get in the carling cup side ahead of randall an medria yet he can get a place on the bench 4 a prem game ahead of them
oh, thanks km1980
Hope Wilshere makes an appearnece tomorrow!
CEOT: Agreed with regards to playing left but in the centre, I would play him, Cesc and Den at the mo. As for not being as good as Cesc it’s incredibly difficult to make a comparison…Would he get as many assists? Maybe. Would he get more goals? I have no doubt that he would. Is he likely to win more balls in the air? Yes. Can he pass and move like Cesc? Not in a million years.
He may not suit our pass and move style but we dont have anyone apart from Ade (he tries) that can hold the ball in the opponenets half, slow the game down, have a look and build from there since Hleb left.
Yep, Gallas isn’t friends with Nasri at all.
Nasri took Thierry Henry’s seat on the coach at Euro2008, it all stemmed from that. A training ground incident subsequently followed in the French camp, in which Gallas shouted at Nasri and told him he “was not Nasri’s friend”.
Hope that helps. :)
i think the likes of Hoyte, Gibbs, Merida, Wilshere, Simpson etc need to be drafted in. These players might be young and unexperianced but they are good players and are hungry to make it as professional footballers! We have been lacking desire in this team recently, maybe it’s about time Wenger shook things up to show he means business!
Gooner Chris, what ever happens in the National of France is their problem, dont come a blog talking about how Nasri And Gallas dont get on.
Cole and Sheringham dont get on but they can play together no problem, stop stirring things like the shitty MEDIA.
Lansbury has been recovering from a serious virus and wenger doesn’t want to rush him, but he scored a quality winning goal for England u19 against Germany in mid week which may explain why he was picked?
RickyGee: I take your points about Diaby bringing something different and being able to chip in with more goals, but I don’t think he’s the answer to any of our problems. He is also incredibly inconsistent and seems to me to lack grit and determination. Would rather see Ramsey get more chances in the middle. Vela up front and ANYONE else on the left – Vela, Gibbs, Ramsey, Wilshere…
It’s called free speech, I can say what I like.
The whole France thing relates to what’s happening at Arsenal so it certainly does concern our side.
William Gallas doesn’t get along with a player named ‘S’ in his autobiography. A national team player. Wonder who that could be? Hmm…(I know). This is childish and really they need to sort themselves out. This is getting Stupid and I’m tired of hearing it.
CEOT: whether he’s the answer to our problems or not is neither here nor there, he’s good enough to play and certainly good enough to be in the squad. He doesnt piss and moan, just gets on with his job when called upon and thats the kind of player I want in my squad.
His style strikes of a lack of determination and grit but the same could be said of Berbac**t, Huddlestone and even Kanu yet they are all quality players.
I agree that Ramsey should get more playing time but he isn’t ready for a starting birth. I watched Wales v Denmark on Weds rather than England and whilst he was very impressive, he was fucked after 60 mins.
I would also suggest that I’ve seen the likes of Gerrard, Rooney etc run around like headless chickens and yet make no contribution in certain games, yet the media and most fans think they’ve had a stormer because they run around a lot.
Proper ballers let the ball do the running
Chris is a Gooner with no hidden agenda, just letting people know the situation
leave goonerchris alone, he’s an integral part of this blog and is stating fact
well maybe fact…. but he isn’t stirring
Diaby is very good “on the ball” & he’ll always do a couple of nice turns and flicks in a match but he cant tackle or pass to play in centrally. He doesnt have the engine too (always subbed round the 60 min mark). We seem to have too many of “not so good” players & I think its time to move afew of them on
Gooner Chris, you do have free speech but you are stirring it bcuz firstly Gallas’s autobiography only came today so you couldnt know what was said exactly about Nasri. If you are taking it from his quotes from AP interview, he didnt mention any direct name, so stop shit stirring, people like you annoy me by openning your mouth without full details.
Goonerchriss are you sure its Nasri and not Benzema? The french press talked about it at the time saying that Benzema hardly talked or shared meals with anyone but Ribery (who Nasri doesnt speak to). Benzema was dropped for the later matches. I dont think Nasri has attitude problems he never caused any problems at Marseille
RickyGee: Diaby doesn’t understand off the ball positioning. He also does not help his fullback by tracking back. Sure, we can say that Rooney and Gerrard are “over-rated” b/c of their overzealous running, but they are top players. And they motivate their teammates. Diaby isn’t Kaka or Berbatov by some measure.
He cannot play in midfield unless he takes up a central attacking spot. In that regard he is like Huddlestone. More importantly, he has demonstrated time and again that he can’t play on the left and is not trusted to play a more defensive role. We aren’t in need of a player who would require Cesc to do even more leg work or requires a DM in a five man midfield.
He should be loaned out or sold and left sided player should replace him. In midfield, I’d rather see the likes of Ramsey, Song, Wilshere and Merida given more chances. Up front, surely RvP, Vela and perhaps Barazite have more to offer.
Gallas called the player “S” and said he was 20.
I am friends with all French players, especially Arsenal ones. I am not playing tomorrow because I have a book signing at waterstones. i have told the manager that I am available for the next game so long as it doesn’t coincide with my nephews christening. Respect, Billy.
I’m not shit stirring, I’m simply telling you what Gallas said and what the French media are also saying. It’s fairly obvious what happened, I don’t need to make it up or shit stir.
Gallas and Henry can be diva’s though. Henry wants players to worship him like Adebayor used to. You could see after he left us how players like Hleb, Cesc and even Ade came into thier own. You get this kind of divisions when you get two generations overlapping in a big squad
Gallas code language is hillarious though. Age 20 & “S”
Well I can’t say I’m surprised that Gallas’ finally had a complete meltdown. He’s been under scrutiny for quite some time now and has suffered (sometimes unjust) criticism during the start of the season. And with his mental state being a little frail so to say, It was only a matter of time before he would break down.
I think Arsene has done the right thing though. It’s not fitting for a captain to come out and publicly critise his own team and talk about bust-ups that should be dealt with internal.
Not sure about Hoyte starting though, he’s talented but I don’t think he’s YET got what it takes to handle Robinho or SWP for that matter. However we don’t have anyone else to choose at this point so I really hope he has a good game.
And while Arsenes already tinkering with the team, why not experiment a bit more? I’d really like Wenger to be brave and finally play Vela, Ramsey and perhaps even Wilshere.
My team:
Almunia
Hoyte – Djourou – Silvestre – Clichy(c)
Wilshere – Diaby – Ramsey – Nasri
Van Persie – Vela
Gunner4life said this: Have a look on Arsenal’s website. Sanga is not on the injury list and neither is Adebayor. Don’t you think Arsenal themselves will be the first to report injuries to players.
hahaha, Arsenal.com fisrt with something. Please snap back to reality
Anyone else agree its good to see Gallas loose captaincy and who those everyone else think should be captain? i think fabregas or clichy, over oppinions will be good!
Whats that update all about from Myles?
UPDATE, FRIDAY 8.50 pm: The above is NOT what happened.
Unfortunately, I’m not allowed to describe what did happen.
So I’m only gonna say one thing : Stop crucifying William Gallas.
He always gave 100% for Arsenal in every minute of every game he played. He does not deserve to be crucified and ridiculed by people who know nothing about his life and character.
CEOT: It was Kanu not Kaka I compared him with ;0)
I only want him to be a central attacking player, not a left winger or someone that has to do the tracking back for the FB. He’s a squad player that I think should play more. Under normal circustances, he wouldnt be a first choice for me but I would definitely keep him in the squad.
Again, to compare him with Song or Merida is unfair, they are completely different players. Agree on Ramsey as do a similar job and Rambos a better passer but again (and agreed, much like Diaby) cant last the pace.
Just another point and I hate to say it but I think Eboue was fantastic in the games he played this season and whilst nobody has said anything, I think maybe were missing him a little
Ash, people are right to be crucified and ridiculed by people, name another captain that storms off when 2-1 up and keeper needs confidence to save penalty, or when comes out and tells dressing room unrest about players, and all the other stuff he has stired, sell him!
I was quoting ANR who broke the story
CH, i dont think it was Ash making the point…He was pointing towards Myles latest on ANR
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What the hell. I never new nasri never speaks to gallas.
infact the whole french squad is fuucked up. Diaby does not sepak to ben afra because of a inccident when they were young. Now i hear benzema does not speak to anyone else apart from ribery. And that nasri does not get along with ribery it’s crazy.
Now they have brought there issues to THE ARSENAL.
Everybody fell out with Ben Arfa at Clairefontaine. I don’t think he would still hold a grudge from that long ago.
What an utter, utter mess.
good point gooner chris, also i find it tedious that gallas had a falling out with nasri becuase he sat on henry’s seat. The french sqaud certainly has a lot of inflated egos. What do you think?
Okay Gooner chris, enough is enough, you are passing on what u got from french media & passing it on people on this blog like it is 100% truth
Don’t ever sit on my friends seat.
Sorry supergunner07, I will make sure I’ll pass what I say through you next time.
Definitely Kevin, it doesn’t help when players like Malouda are mouthing off in the press just like Gallas has done.
was gallas sacked or did he resign? According to sky different sources are saying different things. Ferguson got rid of keane and van nistelrooy when they became disruptive.
Gallas has a history of trouble making, I’m still not sure why he left Chelsea? I think he plays to the cameras. Give the armband to someone who loves arsenal and has less ego like kolo or cesc.
j-hi, I’ll try and put it into context for you.
Wenger had a meeting with Gallas yesterday afternoon and talked to him about his comments etc. What followed was a mutual agreement between both Wenger and Gallas that he would be stripped of the captaincy and not be involved in tomorrow’s game against City or in midweek against Kiev.
Now it’s all coming out in the press.
Hope that helps. ;)