Arsenal are looking into the possibility of keeping Brazilian forward Wellington Silva in North London, not returning him to parent club Fluminense later this month. Silva is currently training with the Gunners before he’s able to complete his switch in January.
Flu coach Muricy Ramalho had made Silva a part of his first-team plans for the new Série A season, yet he’s used the 17-year-old sparingly. Chairman Roberto Horcades and Ramalho are now looking at experienced heads to improve on the club’s league position, bringing in the likes of Juliano Belletti and Deco from Chelsea. It means match minutes for the youngster will be limited to the youth teams.
Silva has spent part of the summer in North London on what he describes as an “acclimatization period”. Arsenal have got a temporary training visa for the youngster meaning he can play in friendly matches, as he doesn’t need to be registered. The Gunners can’t confirm his signing, thus meaning they can register him as an Arsenal player, until Wellington turns 18, in January.
Ivan Gazidis and his team are now considering the possibility of keeping the fleet-footed winger in North London – where he can train and play in behind closed door games until January, when he will be able to finally complete the switch.
Arsenal currently own 65% of Silva’s ownership, and will buy the other 35% in January.
I hope we can keep him!!:D The situation at Fluminense doesn’t sound ideal to me at all. He’s too good to be playing youth team matches for them!!:S
he plays first team matches not youth matches
Great Blog as always J
How highly is Wellington rated compared to players such as Afobe/Aneke…
More potential then Wilshere?
Also what’s news on the Japanese trialist… He’s gone to Ajax, what has the club said about him – do we want him? How will a deal work out if it does, how much and will he go on loan for work permit or slot straight in.
Man Thanks
Sami
The answer is alot higher then Afobe and Aneke who will both be fantastic players. Wellington is the top striker at his age in all of brazil. It is like we are signing Pato for 3.5 million. Really cant wait until he is able to play for us.
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Wellington is very different to Afobe and Aneke. They all have potential but it’s difficult to gage just how good Wellington will be because he’s not played in a game alongside Afobe and Aneke. So far as good, though.
Miyaichi has gone to Ajax after one great game and one poor one. I put on Twitter after the first game that the impression is that he’s not something we really need, so I consider a deal very doubtful. Speculation on work permits and stuff is unneeded, because I don’t think we’ll made an offer for Ryo.
That’s a shame J about Ryo, i was looking forward to that signing
Thanks for the update
if he’s not good enough then what’s the point of spending the money
I could swear I saw Wellington play alongside Afobe and Aneke vs AFC Wimbledon on Saturday. They all signed autographs for us afterwards too.
If games is possible with FLU then that is a better option, bcuz he needs games. I don’t think signing of 2 CM in Deco & Belletti will affect his opportunities as he plays on the wing.
Hmmm, Why would we give him a trial if he’s a player who we don’t need…
Lastly what’s news on Martinez?
How are we planning on slotting him in?
How is he rated…
Thanks for quick response J
wellington will b that lf rf that we ave all been waiting 4. He is a gr8 talent
Wellington silva has played both of the last two games ageing borehamwood and add Wimbledon with aneke and afobe, and I’d say he’s a level above them certainly. You’d expect him to be though- he’s been playing in the top division in brazil even if not regularly, whereas afobe and aneke have never played anything other than youth team games and the odd friendly
It’s like anything Sami, if you don’t give something a chance you’ll never know. This kid could be something special and we wanted a closer look. You can always make room for another world beater. I don’t think he will give us anything Deacon or Meade couldn’t.
Martinez will be the Under 18’s first choice keeper this season. He’s very impressive so far and I’m looking forward to seeing him kick on and develop.
how’s his english? Martinez I mean
Well I doubt J knows that much Andrew lol.
He gives you a marketing tool in Asia which in turn leads to great income and more money for future transfers. Manchester Utd is the perfect example of this. It is a shame we did not sign Honda when he was playing in holland. He has the talent to play for us. In my opinion Wenger being a financial guru that he is, should concentrate more on marketing and building the global brand. I know he doesnt like to tour because it tires the players out but the truth it Man Utd and Chelsea have done just fine in the league even tho they tour. The way Arsenal play, they would attract so many fans if they got to see them live.
Thanks J.
Looking forward to your next blog.
I agree that if he can play matches at Fluminense, that would be the ideal situation. But if he cannot, then I’d rather we keep him than send him back to the youth teams which could affect his confidence and psyche.
Arsene is again reinventing the style of football Arsenal plays.
Arsene’s Arsenal Version I was about quick counterattack.
Arsene’s Asrenal Version II was about powerful players.
Arsene’s Arsenal Version II is about quick small players who pass in triangle.
Arsene’s Arsenal Version IV is now about dribbler. All the new midfield players that have been on trial lately have been tricky winger rather than the usual central midfield player that we convert into winger.
Looking at the academy we are pretty stocked up in the small central defender with a view to a pass. Wellington is more in tyhe mould of a dribbler the same with the japanese triallist.
Interesting idea. But he tried to buy Ronaldo. He did buy Reyes for the wing. And Hleb. And has tried to turn Walcott into a dribbler. (Waste of time.) Arshavin is at his most dangerous when running with the ball at the defense for 10-15 meters, even though it’s a stretch to call him a winger. Nasri is currently more effective than Hleb from the middle but not yet on the wing.
So I’d say looking for a dribbler doesn’t mean a new version of Arsenal necessarily. It’s possible that he is trying to find a player similar to messi at a tender age, and fit him into a team that…
either quick counter attacks
relies on power and pace
or plays quick and pretty triangles .
As John knows, if as a dribbler/winger you aren’t potentially the next Messi then you don’t really get a look in for the youth set up. And I don’t think Messi even played on the wing as a youngster. I bet he was usually through the middle.
Wrong type of wingers is the real reason behind giving up so many goals last year (other then back up defenders and bad goal keeping). Whether we like it or not, Barcelona have mastered this formation so really we just need to follow the mold. You need tricky wingers that take on defenders but can also link up well and must be able to get goals because you dont have the 2nd striker to rely on for them. If you play to many Nasri type passing players, you end up with 5 midfielders in the middle of the pitch passing which sometime leads to losing the ball in the worst position. The middle of the field which is what gets you counter attacked. Walcott is a good example of what can happen with the right type of winger. Even tho walcott is incosistent, doesnt really score alot and link up play is poor, when he runs at defenders, it never leads to being counter attacked even if he isnt successful in his dribble. He also create alot when he runs at defenders. Now imagine a guy with the quality of Hazard or Zarate doing the same thing.
You are right about versions i and ii; they were game-changers in the premier league, but in iii wenger did not exactly reinvent PL football, and has thus far been unsuccessful with it. He has been trying to move towards the ajax “total football” model, but has failed so far. If he brought more dribblers to the club we would just end up following barcelona more in truth.
I dont think this is a bad plan, but wouldnt credit wenger with any inventive step there. Hes just copying the best club side in the world today.
It’s really tough for him to reinvent PL again, as he did in your versions i and ii, because the underlying rule was that he could sign extremely talented players for very cheap and make them world class. UNfortunately, everyone else has copied this idea, improved their scouting networks, and ON TOP are still signing experienced players for ridiculous sums, so we have been left behind a bit. I think that is why his vision has always been to develop the youth system at arsenal, to put us another step ahead, but again, PL teams are copying us.
This is indeed a great vision from wenger, but again, it’s not really novel. Ajax and barca have done this before to great effect. I hope we can emulate some of those great teams.
i m getting a feeling that wellington is overrated a bit. there was not much competition with other big clubs when we signed him, and get him for cheap also unlike other Brazilian whizkids, and he neither seem good enough for a average Brazilian club.
4.5 something million for a 16 yr old who didnt play a single game for the first team is a big amount
Fluminense only let him go for cheap since they were facing a financial crisis. And he’s extremely good for his age, being compared to Ronaldinho is no joke.
He’s not overrated at all, watch him play and then say that again :D
You are getting the feeling Wellington is over rated? The kid has been making a name for himself for a while now and he is very well regarded in brazil and soon will be here for Arsenal!
I remember that Ronaldinho (Gaucho) was compared to the original Ronaldo as a youngster (and not that Portuguese knock off, either), at 21, and there were doubters. (They weren’t the same type of player, but many in Brazil said he’d be just as amazing for the national team.)Wellington is being compared to Ronaldinho? In Brazil? That’s great news.
Have you seen him play a game? What the hell are people talking about
Fluminense is first in the braziliero right now mate. Cant stand people that make negative comments that are purely wrong.
wellington has fallen in the pecking order he usual plays as a sub for fluminense. If he stays here then his english will improve, he will learn our style of play, he will get physically stronger and by the time January comes along he will already be settled and ready to go
Gazidis is doing the right thing and I hope this goes through
Good Point Andrew….
Well said. Taking him permanently now would be great for his adaptation, by January he would be really well prepared (both physically and mentally) to play a part in CC matches, maybe more. He’s not getting games in the first team at Fluminense so it’s not like they need him, why not let the boy start his Arsenal career early?
Andrew
If you read the post today, you would see it states that Wellington is more likely to feature in Fluminese’s youth teams and not the 1st team. Therefore, it makes sense for him to stay in England for as long as possible.
he is kept as a sub in most matches he doesn’t play youth teams
Andrew, simply repeating your original comment does not make it a fact! He WAS being used as a sub, however the Flu coach is going for more experienced players, therefore Wellington isnt likely to get a sniff of a chance.
Mug
Dude from a person who watches Flu games on a a regular basis they have played him from the start 3 times and the rest of times he has been brought on as a sub
unless flu are thinking of using deco as a winger then I think he will stay in the first team and not youth team
Yep, he started a few games and was being used, but things seem to have changed and he could be left on the periphery now, but lets drop it!
Mug is right. Since the new Brazilian season started Wellington has only played in two of Flu’s 12 games, both times off the bench, for a total of 13 minutes.
http://uk.soccerway.com/players/wellington-aleves-da-silva/102692/
I watched him yesterday against AFC Wimbledon and he looked pretty good and quite tricky, he was taken off at half time after appearing on both wings, I was a bit more impressed with him on the right though.
If this happens it will be fantastic. I get the feeling that hes being frozen out by the flu management as they see him no longer as their own player.
Give him the time to adapt and unleash him in January. For those who say he maybe overrated…no way.
This is off someone who knows Brazilian football pretty well:
“Ganso, Neymar and Pato are the most talked about, but I can also name attacking midfielder Philippe Coutinho and striker\winger Wellington Silva.
Philippe Coutinho has amazing technique, wonderful dribbling skills and great vision of the game for such a young player (18 years old), but it seems to me that he lacks pace sometimes. Anyway, he showed great promise during the 1st semester with Vasco and is now on the move to Inter Milan.
Wellington Silva, instead, could either become an unstoppable winger or a killer striker. He has lightning-quick dribbling skills, great vision and attack-minded attitude toward the game. Had some good games at the professional level with Fluminense and should be moving next year to Arsenal, as soon as he completes 18.”
Exciting times ahead with this young talent.
What’s happening with Galindo? Has he been loaned? I haven’t heard anything about him in pre-season.
Does anyone know the work permit thing works in Wellington’s case. Galindo, for example, did not get one and has to go on a loan. Is Wellington’s case different? If so, does anyone know why? or are we going to see Wellington go on a three year transfer to a Spanaish club to obtain a work permit?
He can play for us in january when he turns 18 as far as I know.
Lets get back to youth
This season I am looking to seeing
First team
Szczesny – If we dont buy a new keeper then I am hoping by the end of the year Szczesny is our no.1
Gibbs – Can he perform better than clichy and take his position
Frimpong – Can he become Song’s backup like wenger thinks he can
Vela – Can he keep up the form he showed in pre season while playing on the left wing
JET – if he stays can he become a genuine target man for the first team
Reserves
Shea – Can he step up to reserve level
Miguel – Is he good enough to look to good for the reserves
Aneke – can he dominate the same way in the reserves as he does in under 18
Afobe – can he step up to the reserve level and start scoring goals on regular basis for the reserves and win us the reserve league
Youth
martinez – Can he impress in the youth team and even step up and get games for the reserve
Angha – Can he perform at the same level as a CB as he does as RB
Embilico – Does he have the right stuff to break in our con jested midfield
Ansah – very very good striker who can really become a future first team player. This year it will be all him and it will be interesting to see if he can step up
I find it very annoying to watch Vela play on the left. He should be on the right so he can cut in and use his finshing ability.
Why would gibbs replace Clichy? Clichy has all the tools to become the new maicon (left footed version). He is endurance for days, he is as quick and fast as they come. He is a good crosser and is very good on the ball. Just because he had a few bad games after coming back from his injury doesnt meen he no longer is good. These players are machines.
Frimpong is no where close to being able to be Songs back up right now. We play in the prem. He will get man handled.
Shane…I laughed, Clichy a good crosser? Seriously, he is a good player but his crossing ability is worse than my grannies’
i think you are thinking of Sagna, who is a horrible crosser.
does wellington need to go out on loan to get his visa or is he part of our squad from january..am i being really stupid??lol
I think he just needs to turn 18 (in January) and then he’s an Arsenal player in every sense and can play comp0etitive games for us.
can’t see the getting permission granted.
What permission? Once he turns 18 he gets his Visa, work permit, Blue peter badge, the whole shabang!
If he’s best on the right, that will be great for us – he and Vela can be right and left – but if things go as well for him as we’re hoping, it could be bad news for poor Walcott.
On Szczesny, I really hope Wenger will risk him as he’ll improve with every game that he’s plays. Almunia, on the other hand, though he’s perhaps the best we have at the moment, isn’t going to get better with age. Szczesny is the same age as Casillas when he first played for Real, and the same age as Atletico’s keeper last year, who started as third choice and played himself into the number-1 spot, ending the season by winning the Europa Cup.
Any news about Barazite?
Agreed, I would rather watch Szczesney be our #1 and make mistakes as he’ll learn from them and after being Brentford’s #1 last season he knows how to cope with pressure.
As for Almunia and Fabianski, we already know those mistakes will happen.
Yeah I can imagine all the whiny plastics giving Chesney loads of encouragment and not slating him for making mistakes. Like that’ll happen!
J will wellington be eligible to play in the youth cup when he arrives? Also what sort of team do you think will be our strongest eligible line up?
Andrew, forget the rumours in the papers, we’re NOT buying a keeper. Wenger has said so, more than once, and he has quite explicitly said he’s not interested in Schwartzer – thank goodness, imo, because, to judge from last season’s stats, he’s only one point better than Almunia, so we’d be better off spending the money on a decent defender. I like Zaparta at Udinese or, failing him, Mexes, but I’m not holding my breath we’ll get either.
we will get a CB but I doubt its anyone we know that we will get there are still 21 days for the window to end
I think Wenger will go for a keeper he already said last season that Almunia was never suppose to be our long term no.1 and I think after last performance of Fabianski I doubt he will make him our no.1 this season so a keeper move should be more immediate than a CB move
I spoke to a Santos fan who work in Brazil for the company I work for. I asked him about Wellington and if he thinks he will make an impact in England. He said yes and added that Wellington is a very good player. As we all know everyone have there perception of the player from what they see. But lets hope he will be a quality player in the PL when he officially joins in January
WHO MAKES WELLINGTON BOOTS ?
Wellington’s silver boots you mean?
the guy is brazilian so he will need to get a work permit. thing is though, he hasn’t played any games for his national team so arsenal will have to prove to the immigration board that the lad is a special talent.
Though he can get special visa, like a certain other Brazilian currently in the squad whom was signed when he was 18 and no international cap to his name till now.
Unless he holds dual nationality.
Please Which player can you compare wellington with=mark overmas,lionel messi,andrea arshavin,robinho,ronaldinho,small version of ronaldo lima,eden hazard?please tell me
he has the trickery & goal scoring ability of ronaldo and messi
and crossing ability which is rarely seen in a winger
Don’t all Brazilians hold a sort of dual nationality between Brazil and Portugal which can facilitate getting an EU permit or am I just raving?
As for the usual comparisons between emerging Brazilian players and some great ones, well I honestly don’t read much into that. A ManU supporting mate of mine said that a certain Anderson was touted as the new Ronaldinho before he went to Porto..
I think if a Brazilian has European ancestry then they can have dual nationality. Portugese, italian, French etc.
Anderson is a good talent. He was turned into more of a defensive player at man utd. You also have to remember stuff happens off the field. Not all players have the right mentality to succeed.
as a brazilian, i think i can answer that…
we brazilian dont need any kind of visa to travel or live in portugal,due to historical questions, (as we dont need a visa to go to argentina, uruguai, and paraguay) . But that is only to portugal.
To go to another european country we need a visa…
however as Brazil had a heavy immigration from europeans many people here have a european passaport, myself included (my grandparents came from italy) .
Wellington will need that visa from the UK goverment
hope that settles it
I have never watched him play but at the moment who does he remind you of
WELLINGTON BOOTS MAY BE A PROBLEM
read the write up if you haven’t already – tis really good:
“51 goals in 19 games”, “awesome technical skills” and “small”.
http://younggunsblog.co.uk/wellington-silva/
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I have never watched him play but at the moment who does he remind you of
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He reminds me of a young Zico
COULD DO WITH BEEFING UP .
I think that this would be really good for him, not only because he needs to train with the Arsenal team, but he also needs time to learn the English language and if he only has to concentrate on practice and no games, then he can put more time in to learning tha languare! :)
About III) and iV)
I think we’re modelling after the new germany WC team not Barcelona.
Wenger said the germany team have “rehabilitated dribbling”
LOL
wellingtons boots
Well living in Brazil I have had the chance to see Wellington Silva play for the Brazilian u-17 team where he has been impressive…however the European media have been hyping him up as they do with a lot of players…not many Brazilians have even heard of players like Wellington Silva, who at Flu was no more than a 5th option off the bench for Ramalho.
I think it would be best for him to be loaned to a lower Brazilian club where he will be guaranteed first-team football and not rot in the reserves in England. He still has a lot to learn before he can become any protegy and he needs to learn how to play Brazilian.