Carlos Vela has always had a successful relationship with the Carling Cup. Now the Mexican needs another fruitful night in the competition as he bids to kick start his stuttering Arsenal career.
It’s just over two years ago since Vela endeared himself to Arsenal fans with a classy hat-trick as a record breaking collection of prospects thrashed Sheffield United at The Emirates. It was supposed to be the start of a something special for the promising front man, but problems adapting, questions over his attitude and work rate and a selection of niggling injuries have threatened to curtail Carlos’ development.
Vela’s promise is one of the key reasons Arsène Wenger decided to move Eduardo on in the summer, and the stats don’t lie, the 21-year-old has had a good start to the season. In his seven appearances (one start and six from the bench) he has three goals. However, the emergence of Jay Emmanuel-Thomas from the Reserves and the return to fitness of Nicklas Bendtner leaves the youngster on the fringes.
Carlos still struggles with the English language; something the club partly takes responsibility for, due to their failure to make it part of the agreement with UD Salamanca. This is something that has changed with subsequent loanees Pedro Botelho and Samuel Galindo, but after being in London for over two years, he’s not made significant leaps.
There are also key issues regarding his weight and fitness. Vela has struggled to maintain a successful balance and found settling in difficult. That aside, a failure to deliver when it really matters has been another key issue. The Carling Cup and pre-season has always brought out the best from the Mexican international, but he is yet to deliver in really key games. Wenger even over looked him against Chelsea despite his good form, opting for the aforementioned Emmanuel-Thomas first.
The Newcastle United clash represents a new challenge. Arsenal have switched their focus this year and are willing to pump significant resources into progressing in the Carling Cup; a far cry from the team with an average age of 19 when Carlos made his debut. It means that tonight, although it is a Cup game, the pressure is on.
Vela needs a big performance tonight. Goals or at least a positive attitude and a willingness to work hard and create is the bare minimum. The prospect of him leaving is slim, but with such obvious quality and class, it’s about time he delivered.
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hope he performs ….cuz he is awesome talent….
couldnt agree more.
It does make me laugh a little that the message boards of this site were full of people saying how Vela was going to be our saviour and best player in the history of the universe ever a few years ago but look where we’ve ended up on that one. Its the same old story now with Wellington…apparently now he’s going to be the best player ever. It just doesnt always work like that. For every Cesc that does fulfill their promise there are 20 Lupoli’s.
You are right. That is why we must learn not to expect too much about Wellington S because of his fantastic skills. The most important thing is to see him regular in the first team, then we can start to expect that!
I should clarify that somewhat. Yes I know Vela has time on his side but the point I was making was that everyone was thinking his debut season was going to be earth shattering. It wasnt.
Mate, carlos has never really been given a chance. He should have been given the opportunity against blackpool this year given that we had few other options and the attitude he showed over the summer and at the start of the year, but wenger again went with theo. As it happens theo seems to have (finally) grabbed at that chance, and looked brilliant against blackburn, but the point is he’s had SO many of those chances and been pretty average for the vast majority of them, while vela has always had to sit it out.
Vela has never been given anything like the same opportunities despite showing at least as much quality as walcott. Hes slightly less, but only slightly, and in every other department I feel he is as good or better to be frank.
Think last year, carlos was our only striker at one point, but wenger STILL overlooked him. And it destroyed his confidence. It was clear to see in his subsequent appearances.
I find it so unfair how people can question carlos’ ability to make it when he has had so few opportunities to show what he can do. It really reminds me of how flamini was considered quite average but when wenger actually showed some confidence in him and played him for a run of matches, he turned into the best midfielder of his type in europe that season imo.
he is not getting chances….he deserves his chance
Well said JS – he really needs to kick on now. Just look at the impact Hernandez is having.
When RvP was out last year Vela didnt score, all I can remember is a cross for Eddie to nod in against the Hammers in the cup. Couldnt agree more – he needs to score or make a real impact in a big match.
wtf? hes not suited to being a lone forward really but even so, how many matches did he get when rvp got injured? Wenger picked ARSHAVIN ahead of him, someone not really recognised as a CF, would you not expect that to affect the lad’s confidence?
Pressure’s even greater with Wellington Silva joining us in two months.
vela deserves his chance
I perfectly agree
The young Mexican had limited opportunities last season and surely needs a lift this season. I must admit that while I’ve been a big fan of the lad for a while, I felt largely underwhelmed by his performances last season. I’m hoping that it was just second season syndrome and that he’s going to rediscover the brilliant form that endeared him to our hearts.
Is he also hamstrung to some degree by our formation? I don’t really see him being effective in the lone striker roll. I could see him on the left.
It all boils down to attitude at the end of the day.
Both JET and Vela have bags of talent and can become club legends. but if they ignore their fitness and do not dedicate themselves fully to football then they will not make it.
I personally can’t see a way in for him unless he plays on the left. I question his big game mentality too. It’s lovely soming on as a sub at 3 or 4 nil up but when it’s 0-0 or 1-1 your chances have to count
I just remember blackburn and olympiakos away last year where he missed 2 open goals when the games were tied. We lost both. Not saying we would have won but sometimes those goals make a heck of a difference not just short term for the game but long term for future
Carlos vela English is quite good actually.
I have spoken to him i know walcott has helped him alot.
Wenger said carlos vela was out of the man city game because of an injury.
I’m still scratching my head about what the Vela negativity is all about.
Vela is far better than Aguero who everybody seems to rate. Vela can be our Henry.
All he needs is game time i think we should sell Van Persie to make space for Vela.
I don´t believe Vela will make it at Arsenal. To weak to play alone in attack and to poor work rate to be a an attacking midfielder. I think he will leave this januari window for about 5 million quid.
u really are clueless to write a comment like dat. Vela is still young, Wenger would never even think about selling him.
I don’t even want to read this garbage. I like most of the article but this is just you joining along with the other numb nuts who called for the head of Song and Nasri. It is embarrassing quite frankly.
Was RVP scoring 20 goals a year and the starting striker at 21? If you can not see Vela’s obvious quality then there is no help for you or anyone that thinks the same. You talk down about a guys who has put in quality in full first team games yet hype up a guy scoring in reserve games. Maybe it would be better if Vela just started playing with the reserves all the time and became a star for them.
J, don’t bring yourself down to the level of a John. There is no need for it.
Shane please tell me what he is good at….
Are you joking me? Taking players on, ball control including a great first touch, crossing, movement of the ball, pace, link up play and most importantly….he is an amazing finisher.
He will be the perfect player for us. A 20 plus goal a season scorer.
Tut tut – Right i will disect your points 1 by 1.
Takes players on – If you call knocking a ball infront a man taking people on then your judge of ability is poor
Link up play – His link up play is poor. How many chances has he created??
First touch – Average at best
Finishing – I will give you this one
Movement – Yes his movement is good but lacks the strenght to hold of any challenges
I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree but i can guarentee you he will not make it at this club
Takes players on – If you call knocking a ball infront a man taking people on then your judge of ability is poor
Link up play – His link up play is poor. How many chances has he created??
First touch – Average at best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uueLbIU1bmg
Finishing – I will give you this one
Movement – Yes his movement is good but lacks the strenght to hold of any challenges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNI80U-CRg
I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree but i can guarentee you he will not make it at this club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJvnqj_qg7U ….. Yep, i am sure you are right…a kid with his quality has no place at Arsenal lol. We might as well just get rid of everyone other than Fabregas and Wilshere as well.
Sorry, forgot about “takes on players and link up play
Takes players on – If you call knocking a ball infront a man taking people on then your judge of ability is poor
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJKWv4JMStg
Link up play – His link up play is poor. How many chances has he created??
Do you know what link up play even means? lol
First touch – Average at best
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uueLbIU1bmg
Finishing – I will give you this one
Movement – Yes his movement is good but lacks the strenght to hold of any challenges
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fNI80U-CRg
I suppose we’ll have to agree to disagree but i can guarentee you he will not make it at this club
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJvnqj_qg7U ….. Yep, i am sure you are right…a kid with his quality has no place at Arsenal lol. We might as well just get rid of everyone other than Fabregas and Wilshere as well.
Spot on Shane.
There are some idiots on here who spout off like they have a clue! They play Fifa11 and fantasy manager and Shazam! They are world class coaches who know all about what it takes to be a top player!
For me Carlos needs to sold. He’s not the player we need and i dont think he’s built for this league. I’m sure if he goes to spain he will shine but i cant see that happening here
He definitely can not play the lone striker role and does’nt have the trickery for LW add to that he’s to lightweight and easy to nudge of the ball
Carlos is taking up an unnessary space in our squad which could go to JET who i am sure would make more of the same minute that carlos had if given the chance
Everyone goes on about him not getting games or mins but when he does he hardly does’nt anything except smile!
Please let him go and ressurect his career elsewhere
Oh dear…. what is wrong with people? I hope everyone remembers what they are typing here so when he is our top striker and banging in goals, you guys can reflect on this even though we all know people will pretend like they always believed in him just like they did with Flamini, Song, Nasri, etc.
Lets face it…most (not all) of the people on here can not judge talent worth shit. All you can see is the obvious. You call a player crap (unless he is English) until he develops into a top Arsenal star and then you praise him.
I guess I just have to accept that is the way it is.
Shane, there are twats on here who were calling for nasri to be sold too. These idiots make me larf!
I am carlos vela fan, i am not a samir nasri fan. (Ramsey, wilshere are better than him as well fabregas)
Carlos vela has been unlucky he hasnt had a run of games
John, they are different players. They are our play makers…Nasri is a possession man and the goal scorer. I don’t get why you don’t understand that you need different player for different things.
I am in agreement on we need a winger though. By the way there are tons of quality players in that mold right now but generally they are not the cheapest. Could you imagine Hulk out there with our team right now? In my opinion, a top wide player that can take on players, provides pace and score goals is something you must have if you are only playing 1 up top.
Shane how old are you, you sound like a kid with no knowledge of football
You are a fucking joke to be honest. 90 percent of the time i am right on what I say because I put thought into it and use common sense. We could look back on comments I have posted on this site and you will see that. I am not trying to brag but when muppets like you start talking shit even though it is complete non sense, i have no choice.
On this comment…. When you only play 1 up top, you need wingers or at least 1 with pace, creativity (the ability to make something out of nothing), and most importantly…score goals because by taking off a striker, you are taking of these things which means they have to come from some where else. This is a thought out comment and is more common sense than anything to people that understand football.
I am not breaking any top secret news. If you don’t have one, then sometimes you will be stuck passing the ball around with the 1 striker isolated up top and it becomes easy to defend for top teams. Then what happens? The opposing team often finally gets the ball and one of the players I was just describing does something special and we lose even though we dominated the game. Drogba does it from the striker position to us and even look at Nani doing it to us.
Now look at your comment. Come at me with an articulate response or don’t type anything at all.
I have to say i am a Carlos fan, but the point is he really hasn’t established himself as a player at Arsenal. Now everyone is calling for giving him his chances, and i believe the Mexican has had chances, but reseeds into an attackive midfielder role.
I personally don’t think that is his strengths. Honestly his strengths that we have seen him play for Mexico as well as the Carling cup plus his amazing goal this season in the Champions league, is his almighty strength and powerful runs. The kid has great skill with that, he just never does it.
He reseeds and becomes a passer. I think if he was more selfish, became the target man for the ball, like Hernandez has at United and for Mexico, he will most certainly find his form and be the great player we all know he can.
I think Walcott has started to do this as well, and its been working for him perfectly. Carlos needs to really put the effort in.
I also think Eduardo and Vela became very similar to Eduardo’s Arsenal Legacy… Obviously Carlos can develop into more, but right now he is not hitting the right tempo like Eduardo used to for us.
Come Carlos, trall through the internet and stumble on this page… you do need a kick up the back side to become the striker i was so eagerly waiting for when i saw your youth international spell.
hes a quality finisher but thats all. He isn`t strong enough and we have too many players ahead of him. He`ll stay for a bit but will leave eventually
vela would never make it as the lone front man, he should be used a cover for arshavin.
he plays this position very well for mexico. hes movement is excellent and also makes very intelligent runs.
the night of the shaktar game vela was round dos santos’ house drinking tequilla together with salcido, a ‘friend’ of mine was there too with a couple of her mates “just to play pool and chat” allegedly…(which is neither here nor there)…she said his english was shit and it seems that the kid would rather get drunk with a tottenscum player, albeit his compatriot, rather than watch his team play in the champions league. obviously got talent, needs to sort attitude out before it’s too late
so because he had a drink at his friends house now he is a horrible person. You might as well chalk up every English or German player as a horrible player and person.
look some of you people are discracefull !! , i cant belive the rubbish , small minded dribble , that has been conversed . We all know carlos has amazing quality , we have seen it more than once , ok … He may just take longer to develop into fitting into the team for the rite reasons , then he will have the strength and confidence to get gritty when needed .. theo is the same in that respect , but i belive that theo , get’s more support.. it’s obvious , other top clubs would have loaned him out and not been so patient , and even sold him .. Carlos can be 1 of the best , his just not ready to perform at a high level consistantly,, if it takes him another 1-2 years , so be it , we have other players, and when carlos is ready to consistantly perform, he will and he will be arsenal through an through , and an experienced prem player, as well as an international,.. not all players develop the same or at the same time to fit the criteria of the team ,, it DOES NOT MEAN THE PLAYER IS RUBBISH !!! ..
p.s… , benzima,, left lyon , went to madrid , as an outstanding player , and still is , scince being in spain he hasnt done much , partly down to OPPERTUNITY and CONFIDENCE .. does that make him a crap player ????
FOOLS , and you guys call yourselvs arsenal fans ,, paahahahaha… WASTERS , GO SUPPORT MAN U OR SOMTHING , OR BETTER STILL GO WATCH ICE HOCKEY.. (WOT A BUNCH OF IDIOTS) you lot crack me up !
amen lol. I feel like we are fighting an uphill battle.
A common sense rant, well done.
OO dear..I totally agree with shane.He is absolutely right. Consider what Vela could have than if he had the same playing time as Nikki Bentner. The guy just need more playing time and he will be one of the best.
Just check the official arsenal blog. Wenger says he still rates Randall very highly. If he still rates Randall then I have no worry about Vela!
Wenger is never one to slate a player mate. It looks more of Randall is looking for a club than anything plus it doesn’t hurt Arsenal because he is good for the reserve squad.
@ shane, as a lone striker, his movement is actually poor, because too many of his movement is towards midfield away from goal, watch RVP and currently Charmark who move roughly 50 towards the ball and 50% in behind the defence when space arises thus opposition teams are getting sent off. Just look at how much is movement creates for himself.
Movement is one of the 2 major weakness of his game, second is his weak foot, how many goal as he scored for us from the right side of the goal [hmm Sheff United]. The key point that all great finishers can manipulate the ball onto either foot to finish their chances [another reason that also killed Eduardo’s Arsenal career post injury]. The more one footed you are as a striker or midfield, the easier it is for defenders to negate you in the box as they know which side you are more likely to be shifting ball before finishing
I also belief the better Wilshere’s right side improves, the even better a player he will be because he will be able turn either thus keep opposition guessing when he dribbles.
why is it that you only recognize left footed players as favoring 1 foot or the other? Most players do this.
On movement, there is a reason why he is not the starter yet. Being the target man is not easy. How many 21 year old players are playing as the starting target man in football right now? The things you mention are things that improve with age and experience.
On Eduardo… In my belief is he just did not recover mentally and with only playing a lone striker, there simply was not time or space to wait and see if he recovers fully. He was not a young pup.
Also my whole thing is I believe as our players are getting better (which they are), we will start to play more like Barcelona with the movement instead of a target guy standing up there and holding on to the ball. The quality now of Wilshere, Fabregas, Song, Ramsey, Nasri along with guys like Wellington coming through will affect the way we play in a positive. We won’t give the ball away as much which leads to being higher up the field instead of having to win the ball back deep which leads to needing a true target man needing to hold up the ball while our midfielders come from those deep positions (look at the man city game for that). This is where Vela will come good. Also he has pace to get in behind the centerbacks which we lack sometimes.
Don’t get me wrong, sometimes we will still need a big target guy and that is where Bendtner and JET come in.
I will bet anyone on Vela making it here.
yes arsenal should sell RVP but not for vela…he is good player…but should buy another striker with that money…
@ Shane, stop changing the argument, i never mentioned his ability to play as a lone striker because i know he will gain power as he grows older, if you have arsenal tv online, watch the spuds man city carling cup last season and Olympiacos and just study his movement and study when opposition is pushing up to press thus opportunity to run in behind them.
As for the weak foot, again this is from close observation NOT some unqualified rant, chance that he should take with his right, he will still try and shift back onto his left, thus wastes time and defender can get a tackle or block in. Look at the improvement in RVP’s game when his right foot improved, chances either foot bang goal.
Both comments above applies to Eduardo as well and yes Eduardo wasn’t suited to 433 and wasn’t quick enough to play wide but when it all said and done, fairly good chances that came onto his right foot weren’t converted post injury [weak foot was part of the reason for dumping him as well as jumping out of tackle]
You lost me lol. Your whole first thing was about Vela not being able to play the lone striker and that he favors his left foot. Did i miss something?
Can’t believe to see some of the comments about people thinking Vela will be sold or criticism him.
Just remember, he is only 21 years old and he need take time to tweak himself.
If he is not good enough in about 4 or 5 years time, then so be it.
The best this lad has played is alongside Bendtner in a 442.. Why? I’m not sure, maybe NB is better at drawing in a defender or 2 and subsequently making space for Vela to use his pace.. His touch needs improving, but that all depends on the amount of game time..
Still needs a kick up the ar*e mind..
Posted by shane on October 27th, 2010, 18:45
You lost me lol. Your whole first thing was about Vela not being able to play the lone striker and that he favors his left foot. Did i miss something?
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It is pretty clear, i gave 2 major weakness in game that doesn’t allow to play as lone striker, instead you are talking about age & experience. If he has those 2 attributes then he can still be effective as a lone striker despite lack of age & experience. Please go and study those matches that mentioned. With fierce competition from 1st attackers, potential signings and up&coming youth players, if he doesn’t improve then its adios.
You said he doesn’t have great movement at the lone striker… I responded by saying that comes with experience and age.
You said he prefers his left foot. I said most players prefer their strong foot.
There, i simplified it for you. Cheers
These comments are nuts. Flamini was always seen as pretty average until he got a run in the side.
Wenger has persisted with walcott for 4 years and he never looked ready… until now.
Vela is clearly a more technically gifted player with better 1st touch, crossing and arguably finishing, but you want to get rid of him already?! Based on what? A couple of starts last season and ten 10 minute cameos in the league? If you can give theo four years of pretty regular 1st team football, why can’t you give this guy a chance?
And in case you can’t figure it out, he is not a CF like bendtner. He is a striker who is better playing off of someone, like how henry was best when he played off of bergkamp. This new formation doesnt suit him well, and his best bet is that he could adapt to playing left wing, and he has all the tools to do that, it’s sort of where he played at osasuna.
One thing that he does need to improve is his movement off the ball. He is a much more skillful player than walcott, he shows it on occasion, but theo in his FOUR YEARS of football has learnt to find space better. That’s all it is. You cant call vela lightweight when theo is clearly capable of playing at his size. VEla is actually quite strong, but his movement isnt quite good enough so he is often exposed against bigger players. That would happen to any player, you have to give yourself a yard to escape or at least draw a foul otherwise the larger player will usually outmiscle you.
If vela is too lightweight, so are cesc and rosicky and so was ljungberg.
No one should be claiming vela is perfect, but the haters seem to be expecting perfection already. Of course he needs to improve in some areas, but he needs games and confidence in order to do that.
@ Davi, while Vela is far more technical than Theo, Theo for me has shown more glimpses. Anyway Theo has been criticised for areas that he needs to improve so that Vela isn’t immune.
SUpergunner07 – Theo may* have shown more glimpses, but he has had much more time on the pitch to do it. I bet if you compared their goals:minutes ratio, vela would be miles ahead despite only rarely getting any starts and often having only a few minutes at the end of games to impress.
I can understand people being a bit underwhelmed by vela given the hype he created with his CC performances, but I find it ridiculous for anyone to claim hes been given a fair shot. He’s had nothing like a fair shot at the 1st team. The flamini saga could easily repeat itself here.
I must say, out of nowhere walcott became awesome at set pieces
Wow…some folks have got pretty worked up! I made post #3 above. Just want to say that I wasnt saying that Vela will never make it or anything. I was in the anti-Song camp I must admit so who am I to judge? All I will say though is that he’s been pretty sh1te so far tonight :)
@ Davi, he gets more chances by showing glimpses in order to get start when of the current attacking players in the starting XI gets injured contrasting Vela doesn’t show enough despite being more technically brilliant and quite speedy as well.
@supergunner – vela has shown many more of these glimpses than theo needed before he started getting opportunities for injured 1st team players. Carlos was head and shoulders above the others in the carling cup and was the key to most of those victories- and these were PL clubs.
Theo was on 60k pw before he’d even played more than two good games in a row – that tells you all you need to know!
He is playing well again tonight though, I do think he has turned the corner this season. He can be a force this season for arsenal, but vela does deserve more chances too.
Well done Arsenal.
Ok we all get that Fabianski is playing decent right now but lets be honest, get Szczesny to sign his contract and put him in. He clearly is the real deal.
And he didn’t. Think he will ask to leave now. And to be honest. I don’t think we will miss him. Jet is the way forward
Feel sorry for Jay only getting 8 minutes. You could see he was desperate to impress.
I have a valid question here regarding the whole Carlos vela thing…How can he be too lightweight if the club is worried that he might be getting overweight??? Is it that the club are worried that he is underweight?? He certainly doesn’t look it. He looks fine to me…I agree with Shane on this one. I think he can be a left sided version of Walcott. Walcott has learned to cut into the middle of the pitch. When he plays on the right, he always cuts in enough to make you think we are playing with 2 central strikers instead of one. When Vela comes good it will seem like we are playing with 3 central strikers instead of one striker. You watch.
Thomas looked very good the 8 minutes he played. But i dont get why after all the things he said arsene gives him a tiny little cameo apperance. He should have at least got 20 minutes
Btw eastmond looks very shaky to me. Im sure he played very well a couple of times last season
I don’t get the eastmond thing. He is a very very average player to me. I can not name one area he excels at.
“Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn’t work hard”
It’s becoming painfully obvious that Vela is not a hard worker. And if he is not willing to work hard, he does not deserve to play.
It’s laughable to compare Vela with somebody like Flamini, they are polar opposites. Flamini had nowhere near the natural talent that Vela possesses, but his work ethic was absolutely superb. Like I said:
“Hard work beats talent, when talent doesn’t work hard”
Vela needs to get his act together, he has shown little to no improvement since he has come to London and there is no excuse for it.
I’ve read every message on this board and this is easily the most sensible comment thus far. You have managed to mention the very problem that holds Vela back – application.
There are so many fans of Vela’s on here that feel the need to defend him against (sometimes harsh) all the sniping he receives from certain Gooners.
I can tell you lot now, he WON’T be here much longer if his attitude doesn’t drastically change. It’s so obvious this is his main problem. It was blatantly f**king obvious when he first arrived at Arsenal after being on loan in Spain for three seasons – while officially being an Arsenal player, and STILL being unable to speak English. That alone told me so much about him. It’s this piss poor attitude he has that meant that while others like NB and Theo have come on leaps and bounds, Carlos has kinda stagnated.
This Hernandez kid gave an interview after the Manure-Wolves game on Tuesday night – in great English. He has an attitude like Theo’s. He’s willing to learn and put in the hard work to get to where he wants to be. You just don’t get that same feeling with Vela.
Basically, the kid doesn’t want this shit bad enough. Unambitious footballers fall off. It’s not too late for him but he seriously needs to buck his ideas up – FAST!
what the hell… Vela was pretty good today i think and I saw improvement. he was involved alot in the flanks compare to walcott. walcott did manage to score anyway though. If vela learn to be more efficient with his speed and running more direct like walcott then he will be very lethal. but compare to walcott he has got vision and intelligent. you can see he tried to be involved a lot in the passing play and today it was probably one of the best appearance so far. he did a lot of things right and was in the box a few times without getting the ball.
Vela is very talented, but he looks terribly unfit.
He is suppose to be our second quickest player behind Theo, but tonight his movement was slow and heavy. He was also very weak on the ball.
Walcott is smaller than Vela and has suffered terribly with shoulder injuries, but he has worked hard on his fitness and he looks so, SO much stronger and more robust than the Mexican. He can hold off players twice his size, while Vela is getting bundled off the ball by guys smaller than himself.
so now it s carlos vela turn to get bash all over the place.After eboue,fabianski,song,denilson,bendtner…it s Vela time.Some fan will never learn.
He is our most talented striker but lack of match fitness and his age is his undoing.If Wenger don’t want him why he don’t loan him or sell him.Waste of talent.After few match he will make forget that Arshavin was playing for us
And before the match Wenger was saying all this thing about lansbury and JET but only use JET for 8 MN .
Here is a little something for Arshavin haters….
http://www.imscouting.com/global-news-article/Arsenals-Cesc-Fabregas-and-Real-Madrids-Cristiano-Ronaldo-most-effective-playmakers-in-England-and-Spain/11605/
and to think he does not even play in his normal position.
I was disappointed with Wenger’s selection. Eastmond was very poor, like he’s always been. He is like a walking passer of the ball who will never make an assist, and the best thing you can anticipate from him is that he doesn’t make a mistake. Last night he had at least 10 misplaced passes in a dangerous position. Lansbury is clearly behind him in the pecking order, but in my opinion is much better than Eastmond.
As for Vela, he CAN NOT play left wing. In the first half we saw Vela and Walcott change sides and I was like wohoo finally some sense and a proper 4-3-3 formation, but shite, they went to their old ways just minutes after. Vela works best in a 4-2-2 formation, or at the right wing where he can cut-in.
As for JET, I’m so disappointed he didn’t start the game, I mean what do you have to do to start a carling cup game if not score 8 goals in 5 reserve matches. Anyways, we didn’t play so well last night and we don’t have much to celebrate, except Walcott’s, Koscielny’s and Szczesny’s performance.
I agree mate.
Eastmond at most just gets in the way of the opposition a little. I don’t see why Lansbury could not do that. The Lansbury thing puzzles me more than the JET thing. At least JET was behind 3 good players.
On Vela…. I 100% agree. I thought this last year as well. He looks awkward at left wing and it takes away all his strengths. He needs to be on the right side cutting in and finishing.
On JET, I think it was tricky. I thought he would take out Vela for JET but after he brought on Fabregas, I didn’t see him taking of Walcott or Bendtner right away. I did want to see him play more though.
Although I thought eastmonds played poorly in the sense he gave the ball away way too much, he did make important interceptions and to me is denilson Mark 2 in the way he plays which will lead to him being under appreciated. I was very disappointed that JET didn’t play more, I for one feel that a lot more youngsters should and disappointed wenger bowed slightly to the pressure of winning a throphy; although in fairness a lot of players were recovering from injury and needed match time.
Vela to me is a strange player in that he doesn’t seem to be as effective as he should be withhis attributes, his decision making at times let’s him down. And although he is very one footed and it’s obviously better to be able to use both feet well, but you see that with a lot of players so don’t think it’s that negative a factor. I personally would play vela a lot more as I feel he offers a real goal threat with his pace and finishing ability. I also thought he showed some good touches yesterday and you can’t really judge a goal scorer like him unless he has had chances to score.
I think we need to be a bit more patient as fans as regards Vela. There seems to be almost consensus about the guy’s ability. I think the problem is mostly one of momentum. Each time he plays well or scores a couple of goals he finds himself on the bench or out of the next matchday squad behind more established pros-which is the way it should be at a top club. He’s also another one of our players who picks up niggling injuries. And then he has those long-haul trips every international break when he is almost always unavailable for the first game back. I think he’s a rhythm player and I’d love to see him get more game-time in the league, perhaps giving Arshavin a rest once in a while?
I don’t agree that he can’t play wide in a 4-3-3. He and Dos Santos played wide in a fluid frontline for Mexico at the World Cup where they would constantly interchange between left and right and I thought they looked good until Vela got injured. Vela’s extra pace and low-centre-of-gravity give him a better chance of starting from a wide position than Eduardo- the Crazilian is a more out and out frontman.
Vela wasn’t sparkling last night but neither were most of the team. I agree that Walcott, Koscielny and Szczesny were the main plus points. Let’s hope Wojciech puts pen to paper ASAP-I really like the look of him.
As for JET, it’s easy to forget because he’s such a giant but the guy is still a teenager. If anyone knows how and when to integrate young talent it’s the Boss(Wenger not Springsteen) and we should trust him. Wilshere and Fabregas playing with such consistency and composure at such young ages are exceptions not the rule.
It isn’t that he can’t play winger,…it is just he isn’t great at left winger. It takes him away from all his strengths.
djourou is not good enough i have been saying it for time now koscielny has got to replace him on saturday
I will agree on Djurou but we have to give him time. He just came back from a long injury spell.
Szczesny did make some brilliant saves but people need to calm down he could have been sent off and the goalie was fortunate when he flapped it back into the box that eboue cleared and no newcastle players ran in and then maybe we would be talking why all our goalies are rubbish and he hasnt even signed a contract yet
Coming from a goal keeper, that is the hardest part about the game when you are not playing in games. Getting the feel of the game when judging crosses , when to come out and positioning. No need to make a big deal about that play plus it was a difficult ball. If he did not come out the guy would have been 1 v 1 and would have most likely scored. Overall though we saw clearly how good he is. He mad a couple brilliant saves, he caught the crosses cleanly and high. He is right now our best keeper.
I think Wenger hasn’t given Vela that many games because he sees him in training every day. His attitude isn’t right and that is key to success. Walcott, on the other hand clearly works hard and Wenger sees that and that’s why he’s been given more chances. Potential isn’t enough-you’ve got to work hard. That’s the simple truth.
I still think that vela can make it as a winger. Even if that isn’t his best position. His maturation process reminds me a bit of Walcot’ts. I know Vela might be a bit different to Walcott in his attributes and abilities, but we were saying the same things about Walcott a year or so ago…”great finisher, but can he put it all together??” or “he is being played out of position so he cannot succeed where he is currently playing”. I think Vela will be fine. As long as he is here with us and Wenger has faith in him, that is good enough for me.
I have followed Vela’s career since he joined Arsenal and the lad has immense talent. However, like others have suggested his attitude and work rate is a major question. He has moments of brillance where you can tell what “Le Boss” saw in him but lately it’s far and few. Walcott has sublime pace but you can tell he’s been practicing on his movement, finishing and 1st touch. Those are all attributes that Vela is better at but lack of playing time has hindered his development. Instead of progressing it seems like he’s slightly regressing.
I think expectations and opportunities have become a problem for his confidence. I know the Mexican media saw Vela as a “messiah” for the NT but the other kid Hernandez has surpassed him and become the future legend of Mexican football. They have similar build but Hernandez when given the opportunity has made the most of it while Vela hasn’t. It’s too early to throw in the towel on this “crack.” I would love for him to make good on the investment and time Arsenal have shown him. However, if he doesn’t show any bottle/mettle and contribute instead of languishing on the bench then I can see him leaving. The competition for positions at Arsenal is fierce and those given the opportunity have to seize it.
I get what everyone is saying even though I am not sure how right everyone is on the attitude thing but his talent is obvious. He is 21 years old and not the first 21 year old to have some attitude issues. The obvious hope is that he simply grows up which most people do. I think the people yelling for him to be sold are out of there minds.
Shane you talk absolute nonsense.
How. You have to respond on what you think I said that was wrong. Can’t stand people that comment just to insult. If you have something productive to say then ok…